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    Quote Originally Posted by Gagnraad
    I am somewhat surprised that no one have mentioned Der Führer.

    Just out of curiousity, what do the good people of BuB think of him as a general?
    I think military leadership was his greatest weakness. Had he left the conduct of the war to his generals (and not his marionette NS party members), Germany would have fared much better.

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    NOT Der Fuehrer

    You're right, Koos. He certainly proved von Bismarck right when the old fellow said [not very originally] "The only thing that history teaches us is that history teaches us nothing."

    It is known that Hitler studied Napoleon's campaigns. Yet, he went right ahead and repeated Napoleon's mistake in Russia. Perhaps he put too much faith in modern technology.

    Anyhow, he certainly had better strategists serving under him than he was.
    It has been alleged that one factor was his faith in the pronouncements of soothsayers. It often amazes me how gullible a man of his undeniably high intelligence could sometimes be.

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    yeah, Hitler got his ass HANDED to him. Not for lack of trying, and certainly Germany is in a terrible geographic position to wage a pan-European war... but the man was fucked hard. Although i assume from what i hear it was partly his fault, maybe it wasn't... the fact is that only the outcome matters in the end, and in the end... he LOST. Certainly had he built up a better pre-war political foundation perhaps he would've fared better, introducing a Nazi party in the Nordic nations and cementing an alliance with the Scandanavians, presenting National Socialism as the West's defense against Communism (and then not attacking Poland, probably) there are a number of things Adolf Hitler could have done to prevent or delay a war with the West so that he could focus on the Mongol bastards, but we'll never know for sure if the war could've been won in the end. He made a good go of it, at least.

    Sickens me to think we sided with the Soviets in that tiff... seriously fucked up set of circumstances. No doubt aggrivated by Hitler's (unknowing) methamphetamine habit. I've taken low doses of amphetamines and i can only imagine the combination of a full doseage of Speed and all that power... no wonder he was so eager to get the war rolling eyes:
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    churchill and hitler??

    cyfarchion

    Not quite sure how these two ended up here. Both had a stab at it though. Dardanelles?? Fiasco or what. (Koos -Was I on a thread with you when the subject of murdering civilians by Churchill came up?). From a strategic point of view, eliminating a work force is a viable proposition.
    Hitler had one or two moments but he really should have left it to his people. Guderian, as already mentioned, was top class. Kesselring never gets a mention but he too was very good indeed.
    Patton??? Sorry Smoky God but Patton is not fit to wipe the boots of most top generals. I know Monty had an ego as big as a small planet but Patton's was larger. Monty cocked up Market Garden but apart from that he was brilliant. Brooke was a fine CIGS and I get the impression that Marshall also did a good job in the US.
    Divisional commanders wise, I have always had a soft spot for Kurt Meyer despite his youth and short time in charge. A real warrior. Of course, as I named my last dog after him, I couldn't leave Sepp Dietrich out. Learned fast and had the respect of his men.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gagnraad
    I don't know much about that, but what does it matter, when the man almost conquered Europe?
    Well, with huge mistakes: Dunkirk, Stalingrad, just to mention a few.

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    Regarding the beast Churchill

    Arthor wrote in part

    (Koos -Was I on a thread with you when the subject of murdering civilians by Churchill came up?). From a strategic point of view, eliminating a work force is a viable proposition.
    I'm sure this topic has come up in the past, and I probably responded very much the same there as here. Not only did Churchill wage total war against the German people he also gloried in it. Did you know he had a special room (off his war room) in which he displayed large photographs of post firebombed Dresden? He enjoyed giving tours through that hell he had created for the civilians of Dresden.

    Do you, also, subscribe to the concept of "total war"? You wrote: From a strategic point of view, eliminating a work force is a viable proposition.

    Yankee Generals Sherman and Sheridan brought this barbarous "strategy" to fruition against my country during our War for Southern Independence. They did a hell of a lot more than "eliminate a work force" and so did the beast Churchill.

    I am deeply ashamed that Americans developed and implemented the enormity of warring on non combatants, and I regret that Europeans have stooped to adopt the practice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arthor
    Patton??? Sorry Smoky God but Patton is not fit to wipe the boots of most top generals.
    you are basing your assertion on what, exactly?
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    Dresden

    Dresden was massive retaliation for Coventry.

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    Uh-huh...

    Quote Originally Posted by Egil Skallagrimsson
    Dresden was massive retaliation for Coventry.
    "Massive" is correct:

    1,236 Englishmen died in the German bombing of Coventry.

    200,000+ Germans died (were purposely burned alive) in the Aliied bombing of Dresden

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    Quote Originally Posted by Egil Skallagrimsson
    Dresden was massive retaliation for Coventry.

    It was an act of crime. The most horrible warcrime reported in Modern history.

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