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    Arabs repulsed, furious over prison photos

    (CNN) -- Graphic pictures showing the apparent abuse of Iraqi prisoners by U.S. and British soldiers in Iraq have angered Arabs across the world, as well as U.S. and British officials.

    The images of U.S. soldiers' actions were first broadcast Wednesday by U.S. TV network CBS and then by Al-Arabiya network, based in the United Arab Emirates, and Qatar-based Al-Jazeera on Friday.

    Newspapers across the Arab world ran the photographs of U.S. soldiers humiliating hooded, naked detainees at Abu Ghraib prison on their front pages. Newspapers in Iraq did not carry the photos.

    The U.S. military said six soldiers have been charged with criminal offenses for abusing inmates at Abu Ghraib prison, which was infamous under Saddam Hussein's reign.

    "It would appear to us that if, in fact, the pictures are what they appear to be, they will face a court of law, a criminal court of law, and they will have to face a judge and a jury for their actions," Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt said.

    With Arabs still reeling from the anger caused by the pictures aired initially by CBS, news of photographs showing British soldiers apparently abusing Iraqi prisoners, published in London's Daily Mirror newspaper on Saturday, spread through the Arab world.

    British Prime Minister Tony Blair said any abuse of Iraqi prisoners was "completely and totally unacceptable" and, if the photographs proved to be genuine, he would "condemn it utterly."

    "We went to Iraq to get rid of that sort of thing, not to do it," Blair said.

    "I think in fairness however, we should say, that there are thousands of British troops in Iraq doing a very brave, extraordinary job on behalf of the Iraqi people and on behalf of our country to make the country better," he added.

    British Army commander Gen. Michael Jackson, speaking on behalf of Britain's minister of defense, said he was aware of the allegations and that the ministry has launched an investigation.

    "If proven, not only is such appalling conduct clearly unlawful, but it also contravenes the British Army's high standards of conduct," Jackson said in a statement. (Full story)

    The front page of Saturday's Daily Mirror shows a man dressed in fatigues urinating on a hooded and restrained person, with blood seeping from the hood. Among other photos inside the paper is one of a man ramming a gun into the groin of a hooded man.

    As news of the photographs spread through the Arab world, there were warnings that it could severely damage relations between British troops and local people.

    Ahmed al-Sheik, editor-in-chief of Arab TV news Al-Jazeera, said U.K. forces in Basra prided themselves on being able to patrol the streets without hard helmets or body armor.

    But he said: "When these pictures come to be seen by the Iraqi public, I think things will change. These scenes are humiliating not only to the Iraqis, but to every Arab citizen around the world," the U.K. Press Association reported.

    Shadow Foreign Secretary Michael Ancram called for a "swift full and in-depth inquiry" into what appeared to be "wholly unacceptable and damaging" misconduct.

    And Liberal Democrats, who opposed the war, demanded that Defense Secretary Geoff Hoon appear before the Commons on Tuesday to make a statement.

    Party leader Charles Kennedy said: "If true, such treatment of people is a total disgrace and a disservice to all that we stand for and to what needs to be achieved in Iraq. "This issue must be resolved as soon as possible before more damage is done to the reputation of our forces."

    Anger in Arab capitals
    A government-leaning newspaper in Egypt, Akhbar el-Yom, showed the photographs of U.S. soldiers posing by naked, hooded inmates, under the banner "The Scandal". Al-Wafd, an opposition paper, displayed similar photos beneath the words "The Shame," reported The Associated Press.

    In Cairo, a spokesman for the Arab League said it had complained of abuses by U.S.-led forces after a mission to Iraq in December. The League feared more cases of ill-treatment were going unnoticed, he said.

    "It is beyond the words of despicable acts and disgust that we feel at watching such photographs," Hossam Zaki told Reuters.

    "The irony of it is that Saddam Hussein never really held a banner of spreading freedom...He was an autocratic ruler, a dictator, a repressive ruler, whatever you want to call him. It was expected to witness such atrocities under his rule," he said, according to the Reuters report.

    "But to have the American soldiers supposedly bringing freedom and democracy and the American way of life to this part of the world, spreading this kind of shameful misconduct, that is an irony that to my taste is very sickening," he said, according to Reuters.

    Zaki said the Arab League mission had heard similar accounts of abuse in Iraqi prisons, but did not have supporting evidence. But he said the mission had raised its concerns with the Iraqi Governing Council and the U.S. embassy on its return to Cairo.

    "(It) is most likely that there are other cases that have not been photographed," he told Reuters.

    "Shame on America. How can they convince us now that it is the bastion of democracy, freedoms and human rights? Why do we blame our dictators then?" asked Mustafa Saad, who was reading morning papers in a downtown Cairo cafe, the A.P. reported.

    President Bush Friday expressed disgust at the images, saying the apparent mistreatment of the Iraqi prisoners "does not reflect the nature of the American people. That's not the way we do things in America." (Full story)

    Mohammed Hassan Taha, an editor at Nile Sports News Television, said Arabs should not allow the matter to pass quietly, according to the AP dispatch. "This is not humiliation of Iraqis, it is humiliation of all Arabs," said Taha, while buying a newspaper with the photos on its cover.

    Dara Nor al-Din, a former judge and member of the U.S.-appointed Iraqi Governing Council, said the torture of prisoners and detainees or showing them naked contradicts principles of human rights.

    "We used to criticize Saddam's regime regarding the beating of detained people, so why should we accept to repeat the same tragedy. This is not acceptable," Nor al-Din told AP.

    At Baghdad's Mustansiriyah University, student Ahmad Taher, 24, asked, "Is this the way the Americans treat prisoners?"

    "Americans claim that they respect freedom and democracy, but only in their country," Taher, 24, added.

    Hussein al-Saeedi, spokesman for Kuwait's al-Salaf radical Islamic group, said the images "make every sensible person doubt all the principles Western democracies are offering" and show the need for an end to the U.S. occupation.

    "America justified its invasion of Iraq by saying the country was under a dictatorship. Unfortunately, Americans are now torturing the Iraqi people in the same place Saddam tortured them," he said.

    In Syria, Damascus merchant Sahban Alawi, 45, asked "what's the difference between them and Saddam Hussein? They are doing to Iraq more than what he did."

    Iraqis saw the images of abuse via television. Iraq's major newspapers, including those at odds with the U.S.-led occupation, did not publish the photographs, which have been splashed across the pages of Saturday's European publications.

    "I can't describe what I felt when I saw those scenes; they revolted me and proved the barbarity of the occupation forces," said Mohammad Salman, a traffic policeman, Reuters reported. "What's the difference between them and Saddam? They are finishing what he started," he said.

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    Post Re: Arabs repulsed, furious over prison photos

    Although the apparent lack of professionalism and discipline of those US and British soldiers in question is unimpressive, it is interesting that the Arabs only seem to be 'repulsed' and 'furious' when they see a handful of guerillas beaten up by Westerners. Saadam butchered thousands of his own civilians in cold blood for decades, and yet despite their protestations to the contrary one could hardly hear a murmur of protest about it in the Arab world. Instead he was celebrated in many quarters as a leading Arab nationalist.

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    Post Re: Arabs repulsed, furious over prison photos

    The most interesting thing about these photos is the women that is kind off fooling around/jeering them. One of the pictures shows the word RAPIST tattooed on the mans arm. I'm wondering if these guys are straight criminals and not soldiers. The other article I posted about the Brits has the Brits pretty much kicking the stuffing out of the Iraqi criminals and then releasing them because the Iraqi police force will not go further with the judicial process.

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    Post Re: Arabs repulsed, furious over prison photos

    Strapping explosives to a 14 year old kid is not repulsive at all. :eyes

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    Post Re: Arabs repulsed, furious over prison photos

    The US Army is 49% non-white... What do you expect?
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    Post Re: Arabs repulsed, furious over prison photos

    Quote Originally Posted by Sword Brethren
    The US Army is 49% non-white... What do you expect?
    Excellent point.
    I really think, That beating prisoners, Isn't that much of a bad thing, Specially if beating them and getting some information out of them can save lives, But this type of treatment shown in the pictures, no one deserves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sword Brethren
    The US Army is 49% non-white... What do you expect?
    There undoubtedly is a problem with regard to people like this who import their own gangsta culture into the military. We're not likely to see the Army admit that its disciplinary procedures and training are not enough to force such people to curb their impulses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Telperion
    Although the apparent lack of professionalism and discipline of those US and British soldiers in question is unimpressive, it is interesting that the Arabs only seem to be 'repulsed' and 'furious' when they see a handful of guerillas beaten up by Westerners. Saadam butchered thousands of his own civilians in cold blood for decades, and yet despite their protestations to the contrary one could hardly hear a murmur of protest about it in the Arab world. Instead he was celebrated in many quarters as a leading Arab nationalist.
    Wrong. Saddam killed the rebels (Kurds) and Shi'ite opposers of the Suuni government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sword Brethren
    The US Army is 49% non-white... What do you expect?
    Oh please.

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    Post Re: Arabs repulsed, furious over prison photos

    Quote Originally Posted by Razmig
    Oh please.
    What???? Do you want a bunch of negroes trained to kill running around with guns... Then they get out after their time is up, and they go back to their gangs, they are now even more dangerous... Is that what you want?
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