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Thread: Borreby: Origin, Evolution and Legacy

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    Post Re: UP Supremacy!

    About the same time, the Brünn in Eastern Europe.


    Quote Originally Posted by cosmocreator
    Both look very low vaulted. When do high vaulted types appear?

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    Post Re: UP Supremacy!

    What many people call UPs are actually UP-mixes, with the UP being quite dominant. UPs in their original form (I'm talking northern UPs - Bruenn, Borreby), being extremely tall and robust, and very large-headed, are extremely rare. Most of what is called Bruenn or Borreby today, is perhaps about 60%-75% UP, only rarely more, while the mixed types - Phalian, Anglo-Saxon, Troender, etc. have less than that. For a look at 3 individuals who are fairly close to being true Bruenns see Coon's Plate 4 - Bruenn Survivors in Scandinavia Figure's 1, 2 and 4. All 3 are from west coastal area of Sweden. All have stature 175cm+, Head Length 208+, Head Breadth 152+, CI 75.5 and lower. The variation in some of their features (eye and hair color, etc.) is probably due to slight admixture with other stocks - not the same in every case.

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    Post Re: UP Supremacy!

    Please tell me what region produced what UP type, and what corresponding DNA?

    Iberia=R1b= ?
    Balkans=I= ?
    Pontic-Caspian region=R1a= ?

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    Post Re: UP Supremacy!

    Quote Originally Posted by cosmocreator
    I once thought that too but I'm beginning to doubt it. Both Borreby and Hallstatt have long heads. Faelid doesn't. I wondering if Faelid is actually Alpine mixed with something else.
    Actually, true Borreby is brachycephalic. The closest representatives to the original Borreby form are Fehmarn Islanders in the Baltic Sea. They have a CI of 83.6. After that, the Jaeren Norwegians have a CI of about 82 or 83, Meckenburgers (NE Germany) close to that.
    If you isolate the actual Borrebies within these populations they average about 84-85.
    The Faelid areas, i.e. northern Germany average about 81-82, and contain some individuals that show a type of dinaricization, while others simply fall between the end types in CI, FI, etc.

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    Post Re: UP Supremacy!

    Quote Originally Posted by AWAR
    Please tell me what region produced what UP type, and what corresponding DNA?

    I believe UP originated in the Middle East.
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    Post Re: UP Supremacy!

    Quote Originally Posted by cosmocreator
    I believe UP originated in the Middle East.
    If you believe in the Bible, all types originated in Middle East.
    Also UP is not a race, but a time period. There are many races that could be termed as UP.

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    Post Re: UP Supremacy!

    Quote Originally Posted by cruhmann
    If you believe in the Bible, all types originated in Middle East.
    Also UP is not a race, but a time period. There are many races that could be termed as UP.
    UP is both a time period and a racial type that existed at that time.

    I don't believe in the Bible.
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    Post Re: Origin of Borrebies

    Quote Originally Posted by nordic_canadian_male
    I have read that the rise of the borreby type occured as bell beaker dinarics moved north and mixed with UP types. This new blended type received it's cranial roundness from the dinaric, yet retained the low, broad UP face, as well as fair colouring, and heavy build.

    Another theory that could be true is the mixing of faelids with taller, brunet alpines. I have noticed that faelids are more muscular than a 'pure looking' borreby, but borrebies are heavier due to their much more common fatness. I'm inclined to believe this theory, because it seems that borrebies lie metrically between faelid's and alpines, yet i'm unsure.

    I was wondering what everyone else thought about this topic?

    How can we differ a Borreby from a Alpine craniometrically?

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    Post Re: UP Supremacy!

    [QUOTE=cosmocreator]UP is both a time period and a racial type that existed at that time.

    What race is it then? I was under the impression that Borreby, Bruenn and Alpine, and others are all "UP", and I don't see many similarities between them.

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    Post Re: Origin of Borrebies

    Quote Originally Posted by Euclides
    How can we differ a Borreby from a Alpine craniometrically?
    Borreby has a much larger face and head than Alpine and is larger in all measurements. The shape of both head and face is squarish, in ciontrast to the rounder Alpine face/head. Also, the Borreby type is much taller and even heavier and larger-boned. All this, in addition to being to being blond compared to the Alpine intermediate or dark/intermediate mixed pigmentation.
    By the way, Alpines and Borrebies overlap and mix with each other in the southern Netherlands, NE France and Wallon-speaking Belgium, and sections of Germany that border these areas.

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