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    Europe must be united in criminalizing racism, EU lawmakers say

    Europe must be united in criminalizing racism, EU lawmakers say

    Mar 19, 2007, 16:11 GMT


    Brussels - Warning of a 'strong increase in racist acts' across the European Union, EU lawmakers on Monday urged the bloc's governments to adopt new rules to criminalize racism and xenophobia.

    Liberal French MEP Jean-Marie Cavada said that establishing common standards in criminalizing racism and xenophobia 'is a subject the EU has to deal with quickly.'

    Germany, which currently runs the agenda-setting EU presidency, wants to use its term at the bloc's helm to push through new rules which would criminalize racist declarations that are an incitement to violence against a specific person or group.

    'Europe has to send a strong political signal that it is in favour of human rights,' Socialist French MEP Martine Roure told reporters.

    While any new rules should not restrict the freedom of expression, EU member states 'should be open-minded to act against any form of racism,' the MEPs said.

    However, they said that the planned new rules would be more of symbolic nature as the differences in national legal systems had to be respected.

    Germany views a common EU law as a moral obligation, but countries like Britain, Italy and Denmark have resisted common rules as a violation of civil liberties.

    The MEPs also backed a German proposal to push through new rules which would make denying the Holocaust - the mass killing of Jews by Nazis and Nazi supporters - a crime in the EU.

    While being unanimous in their condemnation of those who deny the Holocaust, EU leaders are split over whether to criminalize such acts.

    Citing its 'particular historic responsibility' due to its Nazi past, Germany has said it wants EU member states to adopt the proposed legislation as soon as possible.

    A German blueprint says that racist declarations or Holocaust denial would not be prosecuted if they were expressed in a way that did not incite hatred against an individual or group of people.

    EU Justice Commissioner Franco Frattini has welcomed the German proposal, saying that while freedom of expression was part of Europe's values and traditions, its democratic societies also allowed to fight racist speech through penal law.

    However, Frattini has also said that it should be up to national governments to decide on the length of jail sentences for people inciting racism and xenophobia.

    Two years ago, Luxembourg tried to use its EU presidency to push through legislation to unify legal standards for Holocaust denial, but was blocked by Italy on the grounds that the proposed rules breached freedom of speech.

    Laws against denying the Holocaust already exist in Austria, Belgium, France, Germany and Spain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd
    [I][B][U]Laws against denying the Holocaust already exist in Austria, Belgium, France, Germany and Spain.]

    This law is beyond belief. I take it that most people ,if they deny something existed, then, I assume that they believe in their hearts and minds that that something really never did exist. To make a law against someones genuine beliefs, what they actually think is true, is very dangerous. The thought police are well and truly in operation. It seems you can have freedom of speech and have a political choice in these countrys, as long as the choices you make dont conflict with the political elite in charge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wodenschild
    It seems you can have freedom of speech and have a political choice in these countrys, as long as the choices you make dont conflict with the political elite in charge.
    Oh, it's the same all over Europe, and indeed the Western world. Every time I hear such an item of news, and every time I am reminded of the "Anti-Racist" laws, at least a dozen quotes from Orwell come to mind...
    -In kalte Schatten versunken... /Germaniens Volk erstarrt / Gefroren von Lügen / In denen die Welt verharrt-
    -Die alte Seele trauernd und verlassen / Verblassend in einer erklärbaren Welt / Schwebend in einem Dunst der Wehmut / Ein Schrei der nur unmerklich gellt-
    -Auch ich verspüre Demut / Vor dem alten Geiste der Ahnen / Wird es mir vergönnt sein / Gen Walhalla aufzufahren?-

    (Heimdalls Wacht, In kalte Schatten versunken, stanzas 4-6)

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    I agree with both of you, these "thought" laws have got to be put to and end.

    If these types of laws are allowed to pass are our people going to be getting imprisoned for stating that the earth is round and that it is not flat?

    Have people forgotten that half of Germany was in control of the Soviets at the end of the war and that the Soviets had control of a large portion of the post-war information and post-war propaganda? Clearly these days were long before the invention of the internet and camera cell-phones , I highly doubt that there is even one "fact" that is not debatable when it comes to the second World War and what we have all been taught to believe.

    Is denial of the eradication of the Canaanites and others of Ham's offspring illegal in Israel? Have the Israelites made it illegal to question the atrocities and genocides which they have committed upon other populations throughout history? I think not.

    Smells of oppression to me.... reeks of manipulation and devious intention...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ambiorix
    I agree with both of you, these "thought" laws have got to be put to and end.

    If these types of laws are allowed to pass are our people going to be getting imprisoned for stating that the earth is round and that it is not flat?

    Have people forgotten that half of Germany was in control of the Soviets at the end of the war and that the Soviets had control of a large portion of the post-war information and post-war propaganda? Clearly these days were long before the invention of the internet and camera cell-phones , I highly doubt that there is even one "fact" that is not debatable when it comes to the second World War and what we have all been taught to believe.

    Is denial of the eradication of the Canaanites and others of Ham's offspring illegal in Israel? Have the Israelites made it illegal to question the atrocities and genocides which they have committed upon other populations throughout history? I think not.

    Smells of oppression to me.... reeks of manipulation and devious intention...

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