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    European Islam: the Answer?

    It may come as a shock to people that I consider Islam to have the answer and end all troubles regarding the racial situation in Europe. What can help Europe sustain what it really is about is not any concocted religion from the past but something which provides direction and some sort of vision to the folk.

    Islam has soil under it. So says Oswald Spengler. It is not bound to be under jewish control the way Christianity went from its early beginnings, where it was the faith of the jewish in the ghettos of Europe. I say so detached from it. I am trying to remain objective and cool in viewing the past two thousand years of European History and compare them very much with what happened in India at the Buddhist age. Buddhism was a dialectical assault upon the tradition and Vedic religion suffered this assault and sought to defeat its nihilism by creating various nihilisms of its own. Man is a coward usually in the face of reality. This reality takes form in all ages before all people and in all scenarios and effects.

    The answer is to see the greatest strength in a religion whose cosmology is not very much distinct from the previous faith of the people-Christianity. Primitive Jewish Christianity was transformed into European-Gothic Christianity, and it did provide a spiritual expression for the people and a great deal of growth also in that age, while its expressive vigour lasted. However the destiny of America is more or less going to be different, depending upon the forces which will effect a new order there, fighting and opposing the present one.

    I see a world troubled by all , some unimaginable at this point of time in our lives, kinds of conflicts after 15-20 years, it will be unlike any other period of the past. Hope for some order at the end of it!

    A positive and stable world will have to be multipolar and based at Culture at the core. India, CHina and Iran will need to re-invent their lands and folk. Japan will be decimated, and something is going to rise from Central Asia.

    I wish that Islam should be freed of its Arabian legacies which are too supressive for many races which are going to adhere to it or those which have already accepted it. For them, rule implies change and reverting to their natural instincts. Such a religiousity will be afforded back to the major European folks, by the soil of their own lands, but inspired and led by another faith.

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    Satire humour, I like it... Seriously though Islam is very anti-female, I don't think that racists would like the kind of sexism Muslims practice also Islam is very strict, Europeans aren’t very good with strict religions it gets in the way of our creativity, imagination and general productivity.

    I don't personally have a problem with the religion of Islam other than the fact that Negroes tend to like it, there are some whites in it so its not really that bad but its not really that good if you catch my drift.

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    Why would racists hope for the success of a non-racist religion?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phlegethon
    Why would racists hope for the success of a non-racist religion?
    There is nothing strictly racialist or non-racialist about any given religion.

    Islam can either revive the Christianity of Gothic Spirit or it can give a sense of the live or the organic within the European people.

    And I am not talking in anyway nor even alluding indirectly to the desert spirituality of the Arab/Juden. I speak of the Paktia, where a problem still exists with respect to the race's idea of its origin, they think that they are descended from the Bene Jews, contrary to the genetic evidence, so for Kashmiri Janjua Muslims. The blame lies with the jewish mischief of falsification of these people's historicity.

    I am also alluding to the fanaticism, which can transpire as the steadfastness of the belief and faith in Europe. The belief in race and ancestry, that is.

    Old religions sound very nihilist, except for a few practitioners, and considering all this, Christianity can still be developed as a folkish variant of Odinism or Asatro. Look at what is real about people, the folk, their centuries-old beliefs. Even Catholicism can be quite conservative, if the racialists aspire to take control of it with all their spirit. Religion must not divide people here, get over creed. Islam poses still another problem where the Arab might become a holy tribe as is the Jew to the fundamentalist Christian in US.

    Most of all, let no religion divide people. The strongest spirit in religion is often driven by one's old ego.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimr
    Seriously though Islam is very anti-female, I don't think that racists would like the kind of sexism Muslims practice
    You're talking about societies and cultures which think of themselves as Islamic and not the actual religion. In Islam itself, untainted by Indo-Persian customs, women are treated better.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grimr
    also Islam is very strict, Europeans aren’t very good with strict religions it gets in the way of our creativity, imagination and general productivity.
    I would think the opposite were true, that a strict religion would increase the focus and order within a person's life. And anyway, Europeans would likely not be adopting conservative Islamic sects but something like Sunni-Hanafi which the liberal sect the Tatars and Bashkirs follow.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grimr
    I don't personally have a problem with the religion of Islam other than the fact that Negroes tend to like it, there are some whites in it so its not really that bad but its not really that good if you catch my drift.
    I feel the same way about Christianity.

    Black Americans like their Afrocentric sect of so-called Islam because they view it as a type of revolutionary faith going against "the white man's Christianity." But they still hold their race theories higher than God, so are not really Muslims at all. Read the summary of Message to the Blackman in America by Nation of Islam founder Elijah Muhammad. In it he says, "the whole Caucasian race is a race of devils," though he was half-white himself. Elijah Muhammad called himself either a manifestation of God or a prophet, which guarantees his place in Hell forever. :dwink

    I have suspicion that (like the so-called "white power" movement itself) The White Man's Bible written by Ben Klassen in 1981 (decades after NOI was established) was just a white response to Nation of Islam and Black Power. Compare the two and you'll see how similar they are.

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    I'd prefer Evola's Traditionalism to Islam. It's not as universalist and moralistic as Islam, and much 'deeper'. I've read the Qur'an and wasn't impressed at all. I consider Evola's works to be of much more spiritual significance (Revolt Against the Modern World, for example).

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    Islam should be banished in Europe, but England and France have many and it would be pretty hard to get rid of it without a mass rahowa. France has so many because of DeGaulle welcoming foreigners into France after WW2, too bad Petain couldn't stop him if he still were around. Islamic people plague Europe they should move west instead. They are not wanted in Europe and I do not even want them in America. Mexicans/Untrue Spanish people are more of a plague though.

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    The only places in Europe and America where there is large and noticeable racist presence is the lower class areas, poorer countries or volatile areas. People who have not much to complain about financially are willing to put up with primitive jungle people who mutilate their women. If white nationalists (for lack of a better term) don't like Islam for Europe, they must come up with something which counters the current cult of materialism. Christianity in its current ultraliberal queer-inundated guise is not going to do it and most people are not willing to adhere to made up flaky pseudo-religions like "Creativity."

    It's basically over for the British racially, they have been thoroughly colonized and most seem not to care in the least if their daughters date coal black bushman. "As long as they love each other!" they say.

    The worst of these immigrants are the Somalis and other savages who practice sick crap like female genital mutilation and honor killings. It's primitive desert/jungle crap with no Qur'anic support. No doubt such criminals get what they deserve in the end.

    But they're more than welcome to live here in the US, why not - we let all kinds of people live here. Maybe we'll get some Somalis to wage Jihad against the santeria-Catholic Mexicans. That will be lots of fun to watch on CNN. :tv

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    Integrating European Muslims: Europe's Fearful Bid
    By Alaa Bayoumi
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    The new regulations disregard
    historical and contemporary
    Muslim contributions to the
    advancement of Europe.


    News coming from Europe over the last few weeks shows a rising trend within several European countries to assimilate Muslim inhabitants through new laws forcing Muslim women to give up their Islamic attire in public schools, sending Muslim refugees back home, and limiting the number of new Muslim clerics.

    A closer look at Europe's current economic and ideological circumstances and at the consequences of the latest regulations on European Muslims shows that Europe is taking the wrong route to integrate its Muslim population. On February 17th, Danish PM Anders Rasmussen announced various changes to immigration policies aimed at curbing the number of Muslim religious leaders allowed into Denmark. The proposed changes, which the parliament is expected to rapidly pass into law, are part of a deal reached last September between Denmark's Liberal-Conservative government and its far-right ally, the Danish People's Party (DPP). "In theory, these rules concern all clerics from all religions. But in practice, they target the imams," a DPP spokesman Peter Skaarup told journalists in September.

    On the same day, the Dutch Lower House voted to expel up to 26,000 failed asylum-seekers over the next three years. Many have been in the asylum process for years, and include Somalis, Afghans, Chechens, and stateless persons. The New York-based Human Rights Watch described the move as a violation of international standards that "signal a serious departure from the Netherlands' historic role as a leader in human rights' protection in Europe... [because] sending people back to places where they could be in danger not only jeopardizes their safety, it is illegal."

    On February 10th in France, home to Europe's largest Muslim population (four to five million), the National Assembly approved an internationally controversial ban on hijab from public schools. The new legislation would ban religious symbols, including large Christian crosses and Jewish skullcaps. "But no one here [in France] pretends the target is anything other than the hijab in a Europe showing growing discomfort over its burgeoning Muslim population," thought The Boston Globe.

    Europe is home to more than 15 million Muslims.

    Politicians in Belgium and Germany are debating similar hijab bans. The new regulations unjustly infringe on the civil rights of millions of law abiding Muslim immigrants by: forcing Muslim women and girls to choose between their religiously mandated attire and available public educational opportunities; sending Muslim refugees to countries where their lives may be endangered; and limiting Muslim access to religious leaders and education. They also disregard historical and contemporary Muslim contributions to the advancement of Europe. During the colonial area, the Islamic world provided major springs of cheap labor and natural resources necessary for the advancement of industrial Europe. After the Second World War, France and Britain turned towards their former Muslims colonies in North Africa and South Asia to seek a badly needed workforce to help their economic recovery; while the Germans sought the help of the Turks, their former allies.

    Today, more than 15 million Muslims create an integral part of Europe. Some of them are highly educated immigrants and converts. While many are underprivileged workers who help fill blue-collar jobs, have little political access, if any, and face frequent discrimination, especially in the post 9/11 era.

    Center and extreme right-wing parties have gained ground in many European countries.

    In Britain, where 1.6 million Muslims live, a London-based Islamic human rights group reported 344 incidents of anti-Muslim violence against Muslims in the year after September 11, including the stabbing of a Muslim woman. Instead of confronting the post September 11 anti-Muslim phobia, these new laws will scapegoat Muslims for the real problems dwindling Europe's ability to build on its traditions of multiculturalism and tolerance; its need for economic and political reform; and the rise of the extreme right. In Austria, Belgium, Denmark, France, Italy, The Netherlands, Norway and Portugal, center and extreme right-wing parties have recently gained great ground.

    Europe's difficult political and economic integration, the worldwide economic recession, and the inefficiency of several European leftist governments are all possible causes for the rise of the European right. But what is certain is that Europe's extreme right-wingers are prospering by amplifying Europeans' economic and cultural fears, especially toward their Muslim immigrant neighbors. Europe's proposed anti-Muslim laws will create a false solution for serious problems impeding Europe's multiculturalism. This will hinder Muslim integration into European society, as well as damage Europe's image in the Muslim world. Instead, European countries should seek creative approaches to fully engage their Muslim communities in the struggle for economic reform and ideological moderation.

    Alaa Bayoumi is a researcher at the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), America's largest Muslim civil liberties advocacy group.

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    Post European Islam

    The Aryan King Frederick II. made the mistake of not converting to Islam (and thereby making faithful Muslims out of his subjects). Since Frederick II. was excommunicated anyway, he should have broken with the Vatican, the Roman Church, the Pope and the whole of Christianity. Under the banner of the prophet Muhammed, he could have reconquered his realm for the glory of almighty Allah. The Islamic Rennaissance has the possibility of becoming a cultural revolution in the heart of Europe. Islam reborn with a distinct European mark - a new chance for a people satiated with "bread and games"?-- Constantin von Hoffmeister

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