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    Post Y-Chromosomal Distribution in Northern European Populations

    Mol Biol Evol. 2001 Jun;18(6):1077-87.
    Geographical, linguistic, and cultural influences on genetic diversity: Y-chromosomal distribution in Northern European populations.
    Zerjal T, Beckman L, Beckman G, Mikelsaar AV, Krumina A, Kucinskas V, Hurles ME, Tyler-Smith C.
    Department of Biochemistry, University of Oxford, South Parks Road, Oxford OX1 3QU, England.


    We analyzed 10 Y-chromosomal binary markers in 363 males from 8 populations in Northern Europe and 5 Y microsatellites in 346 of these individuals. These populations can be grouped according to cultural, linguistic, or geographical criteria, and the groupings are different in each case. We can therefore ask which criterion best corresponds to the distribution of genetic variation.

    In an AMOVA analysis using the binary markers, 13% of the Y variation was found between populations, indicating a high level of differentiation within this small area. No significant difference was seen between the traditionally nomadic Saami and the neighboring, historically farming, populations. When the populations were divided into Uralic speakers and Indo-European speakers, 8% of the variation was found between groups, but when they were divided according to geographical location, 14% of the variation was between groups. Geographical factors have thus been the most important in limiting gene flow between these populations, but linguistic differences have also been important in the east.

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    Post Re: Y-chromosomal distribution in Northern European populations.

    Thank you for the great research papers!

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    Post Re: Y-chromosomal distribution in Northern European populations.

    So then there is more correlation between your proximity and others genetically like you than there is, necessarily, between you and other members of your culture?

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    Post Re: Y-chromosomal distribution in Northern European populations

    Very interesting. Would you say that the experiences from this research can be applied on other regions?

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    Post Re: Y-chromosomal distribution in Northern European populations

    Good read.

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    Post Re: Y-chromosomal distribution in Northern European populations

    Quote Originally Posted by AWAR
    Very interesting. Would you say that the experiences from this research can be applied on other regions?
    Why not? I am wondering if the Moravians and Bohemians are more like their neighboring Germans in this way than the Poles to the West or the other Slavic peoples since the proximity is so close.

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    Post Re: Y-chromosomal distribution in Northern European populations

    Actually, everything I read about Czechs suggests they are a Celto-Slavic mix.
    Their neighbouring Germans are also genetically 'Celtic'.

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    Question Re: Y-chromosomal distribution in Northern European populations

    Quote Originally Posted by AWAR
    Actually, everything I read about Czechs suggests they are a Celto-Slavic mix.
    Their neighbouring Germans are also genetically 'Celtic'.
    How so? What is it about the Germans that would make them "Celtic"?

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    Post Re: Y-chromosomal distribution in Northern European populations

    Apparently, genetically related to the Iron Age Celts who spread their cultural influence from those regions across most of Europe.

    Let's say that these Germans were once the original Celts, and their name, culture and language were preserved only in Britain and Ireland, while the Celts in their homelands were Slavicized and Germanized.

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    Post Re: Y-chromosomal distribution in Northern European populations

    Quote Originally Posted by AWAR
    Apparently, genetically related to the Iron Age Celts who spread their cultural influence from those regions across most of Europe.

    Let's say that these Germans were once the original Celts, and their name, culture and language were preserved only in Britain and Ireland, while the Celts in their homelands were Slavicized and Germanized.
    This may sound a little twisted, but Coon says the Hallstatt Celts expanded North and West into Sweden, spawning the Germanic peoples centuries later. He says, for instance, that these Hallstatt people brought the worship of Odin to Sweden (prior to that the supreme male god was Thorburn). In some ways, these were two cultures one of which became the other in time.

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