View Poll Results: Proud of the mixture of proud of being

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  • I am mixed and I like it!

    39 22.81%
  • I am mixed, but I would prefer I'd belong to only one nation.

    37 21.64%
  • I am e.g. a full Dutchman, but I would also enjoy having ancestors from different countries.

    11 6.43%
  • I am e.g. a "pure Norwegian" and I can't imagine something else could be better.

    44 25.73%
  • Both has advantages and disadvantages

    27 15.79%
  • I don't know.

    13 7.60%
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Thread: Proud of the Mixture or Proud of Being "Pure"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimm View Post
    I'm 1/4 Polish, although that quarter of me may actually be half Polish and half Ukranian. One of my aunts insists my supposedly Polish great grandfather was actually Ukranian, but another aunt swears it isn't so. It doesn't really matter much anyway, because apparently the Poles and Ukranians have been mixing for centuries.

    You don't feel bad? There's nothing good about being Ukrainian and Polish.

    There was something good about being Polish and Ukrainian before the 1990's, when Polish and Ukrainian in North America meant Hapsburgo-Slav.
    But now it means Cyptro-Jew and Asian.
    As my Grandmother said (Swabian and Ruthenian) "bastardized by Russians". And she was right in almost every aspect from religion (Orthodox), language and appearence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGreatest View Post
    You don't feel bad? There's nothing good about being Ukrainian and Polish.
    Well, you can hardly change who you are - so why should anyone feel bad about their heritage? So what do you expect him to do? Morph into some corner and frown at a part of his heritage that won't leave his genetic make-up though no matter how much he frowns.

    Instead he might just take a pride in all parts of his heritage - or if he feels little to no identification with that 1/4 of his heritage, make sure that he finds a woman who is fully Germanic yet would put up with his being 1/4 non-Germanic ... that way, if he really were ashamed of that part of his heritage, at least he'd be making sure that his children will have half the identity crisis he has (at being 1/8 Polish or 1/16 Polish 1/16 Ukrainian).

    Besides the point that we shouldn't make a judgment on whole ethnicities. If you don't like Polish or Ukrainians overly much, then that is your choice - and I can definitely see where you are coming from, because I am not a particularly great fan of them anyway.

    But we should not take the right to be proud of their heritage away from anyone, no matter how much we might hate or scorn that heritage: We would be doing no better than those who would have all minorities feel proud about their heritage, but forbid us to feel proud of who we are on our own soil.

    There was something good about being Polish and Ukrainian before the 1990's, when Polish and Ukrainian in North America meant Hapsburgo-Slav.
    But now it means Cyptro-Jew and Asian.
    Mind to clarify/substantiate on that claim?
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    I voted "I am mixed, but I would prefer I'd belong to only one nation." But it takes a bit of explaining.

    I'm not even remotely ashamed or dismissive of my Dutch side. I value my Dutch family very much. They're wonderful people. But I feel 100% English, so my Dutch ancestry seems irrelevant to my future. I don't think I'd be better off without Dutch ancestry, but then it doesn't serve to do anything that a second English half wouldn't. I accept it and take pride in my Dutch family - but not because they're Dutch, simply because they're respectable people and part of my blood. Dutch culture has had no influence on me.

    So really, my option of choice would be "I am mixed, but it doesn't impact on me one way or the other."
    "If by being a racialist, you mean a man who despises a human being because he belongs to another race, or a man that believes one race is inherently superior to another in civilisation or capability of civilisation, then the answer is emphatically no." - Enoch Powell

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGreatest View Post
    You don't feel bad? There's nothing good about being Ukrainian and Polish.

    There was something good about being Polish and Ukrainian before the 1990's, when Polish and Ukrainian in North America meant Hapsburgo-Slav.
    But now it means Cyptro-Jew and Asian.
    As my Grandmother said (Swabian and Ruthenian) "bastardized by Russians". And she was right in almost every aspect from religion (Orthodox), language and appearence.
    I welcome any and all crticisms of Poles/Ukrainians, but I don't understand yours. If you're referring to a change in demographics after the fall of communism, then obviously that wouldn't apply to my ancestors. Do all Hapsburgo-Slavs (as you call them) here in NA all of a sudden lose that particular identity because the next wave of Polish/Ukrainian immigrants were different?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd View Post

    Instead he might just take a pride in all parts of his heritage - or if he feels little to no identification with that 1/4 of his heritage, make sure that he finds a woman who is fully Germanic yet would put up with his being 1/4 non-Germanic ... that way, if he really were ashamed of that part of his heritage, at least he'd be making sure that his children will have half the identity crisis he has (at being 1/8 Polish or 1/16 Polish 1/16 Ukrainian).

    Besides the point that we shouldn't make a judgment on whole ethnicities. If you don't like Polish or Ukrainians overly much, then that is your choice - and I can definitely see where you are coming from, because I am not a particularly great fan of them anyway.
    Part of the reason for not feeling particularly distressed over my Polishness is because of the contributions they have made to Germany and because of the Slavic blood that has been absorbed into Germany from the centuries prior.

    Looking beyond the prior absorbtion of Slavs, Poles came to Germany in large numbers in the early 19th century to work as coal miners, and they never left. They became woven into the fabric of the country. I remember seeing a Polish surname or two while reading about important individuals of the Third Reich, and that means that your common Polish Germans would've been well represented in the Wehrmacht. Also, if you look over the all-time players list of the German National soccer team at http://www.dfb.de/index.php?id=50039...ash=534a4d3e04, you'll find it littered with Polish surnames and you'll find your fair share of other Slavic surnames as well. And if you figure that a surname only points to a father's father's father's (etc.) lineage, then just think of how many German-surnamed Germans may have Polish lineage as well.

    Also, as proud as I am to be German, I am a bit of a racialist and my affinity for a more Nordid Pole may be equal to my affinity for a less Nordid German.

    So all things considered, I'm happy with my mixture. And it doesn't bother me one bit if the hardliners would see me as untermensch. As happy as I am with my Slavicness, 3/4 of my ancestors were German and I am always happy and proud about Germany and Germans, even if they would not welcome me open arms.

    I think I'm going to start a thread asking the Germans what they think of the Poles within.

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    Well, I am mixed too so I do not have a real identity either, but wait...

    ...my identity is based upon myself as a soul, not myself as a physical body.

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    I am an American from mixed Germanic ancestry with Celtic. However, the Germanic blood that runs through my veins is strong. For instance, I have a purely Germanic look. Therefore, who is to tell who is pure and who is not. I am quite sure that we (i.e., various Indo-European tribes) have influenced each other throughout the ages...maybe more so than we know.

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    I'm not mixed between European ethnicities that I know of but if I was, I'd pick only one dominant ethnicity and stick to that. I wouldn't completely ignore the other, but I don't think you can completely sit with each leg in one different pond and feel equal about it. The alternative is to create new traditions from both sides, but I wouldn't venture doing that myself unless they were very similar/related.

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    I have very small German ancestry but I don't consider myself German or part German.
    I consider myself as belonging fully to only one nation, Denmark.
    Nonetheless I feel closeness to Northern Germans, the ones from the South are a bit more foreign to me.
    I learned some German and can speak it but I can't call it as a part of my traditions or heritage.
    So basically I would only feel a strong connection to another ancestry if it was very recent, within my living memory.
    I think some mixes work but others don't. North-South European mixes are a bad idea in my opinion because the cultures are too different from each other.
    All in all, I vote proud of being "pure".

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    The question is wrong: From which nations your ancestors are, is only of a cultural relevance, if any. What counts is the racial substance of an individual. Regarding this, very few individuals can consider themselves "unmixed", if any "unmixed" individuals nowadays still exist at all. A certain mixture has always happened and will always happen, you cannot prevent that.

    What is important is to have a "good" mixture, a mixture of racial types that are complementary, not too contradictory. If parents are too far away from each other genetically, it is far less probable that they will create valuable offspring. To maintain a certain stability of type is an important goal. However, mixture of races not too distant is in its basic tendency positive, from several points of view. Purism is in most cases just reactionist romanticism.

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    I am a mixture, but I don't feel like a mixture!

    Most of my family comes from the same region of Scandinavia, one part of it just happens to be located on the other side of a modern political border that is between Sweden and Norway. Who knows, had Charles XII been more successful, maybe I would have had the same ancestry, but not been a "mixture". Nature does not know the current political boarders, so I'm not too concerned. I am not sure, however, if I would have wanted to my ancestors to have come from distances too far from each other in nature, then it could lead to identificaton problems. Now I am at least Norse/Scandinavian

    People nowadays often seem to have little pride in their identity, so if they are 1/8 something else, they sometimes like that part better. I think people should try to be proud of their major roots first and foremost.

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