Blood or Culture - What's Worth More?

[Fylgje]

Basically, all Europeans descend from these three groups in various degrees.

There are EHG (Eastern HG too) and we have a lot of them. This is for WHG.

[NorthWestEuropean]

There are EHG (Eastern HG too) and we have a lot of them. This is for WHG.

I'm used to them being ignorantly lumped together, as did I, but of course you're right.

[Juthunge]

There are EHG (Eastern HG too) and we have a lot of them. This is for WHG.

There is probably no extra-EHG in Germanic populations other than that which is present in the Yamnaya/Steppe/IE-component (which can be modelled roughly as something like 50% Eastern Hunter Gatherer, 35% Caucasus Hunter Gatherer and 10% Anatolian Neolithic, <5% Western Hunter Gatherer although there is some variation and depends on the Yamnaya group used).

See this Figure from Ancient human genome-wide data from a 3000-year interval in the Caucasus corresponds with eco-geographic regions for example:



Local EHG ancestry proper in modern populations is only relevant for Baltic populations, Finnic peoples and (eastern) Slavs.

[Sól]

My former profile said 'Fascist' and had a photo of Oswald Mosley but, for the sake of argument, let’s say I feel a certain affinity with National Socialism and an admiration for its broad objectives.

I'd like to believe that its racial aspect was one of its broader objectives. Don't you think?

I’m not going to argue over how much fecal matter I prefer in my ice creams and nor do I consider non-Germanic blood to be ‘contaminated’.

Then it's you who has a problem, not me or those like me.

I can only infer from what you’ve written that you feel superior to many other Skadi members.

Let's just say, "for the sake of argument", as you say, that I don't believe in equality.

This is disappointing, and confirms my previous statement about this sort of attitude being detrimental to our community as a whole.

How is feeling superior to non-Germanics detrimental to a Germanic online community? Maybe you need some glasses or read the title or description of the forum again. It's not Apricity, Stormfront, or Endphase21, and it's not pan-European.

I didn't come here to be politically correct, quite the contrary. I came here because I am sick of the racial egalitarianism promoted in Europe. No, we are not equal, and just like whites are smarter, more inventive and creative than non-whites, so are Germanics as opposed to non-Germanics.

I believe in objective (measurable) as well as subjective hierarchies (being proud of your own and putting them first). Besides, even other Germanics (like German or Anglo-American supremacists and sympathizers who believe it's justified to invade other Germanic countries) don't care about the feelings of other Germanics, so why would I care about the feelings of those who aren't even my people to begin with?

[Bärin]

I can only infer from what you’ve written that you feel superior to many other Skadi members. This is disappointing, and confirms my previous statement about this sort of attitude being detrimental to our community as a whole.

No, it's not. It's normal for Germanics to feel a sense of superiority and pride in their own. In fact, if more people felt like this, we'd have far far less problems. As Sól says, the problem is the other way around, those people who believe in equality. There's no such thing as equality in nature and that includes people who are non-European and non-Germanic.

Btw, it's not only Germanics who have a sense of superiority. Non-Germanics believe it too, that's why so many of them want to come to our countries and want to be us. And that's why Germanic wannabes cling to any theory that would make their people a little Germanic, even if it's just a small invasion from thousands of years ago or some unearthed runes. Maybe they too should believe in their own superiority and be proud of what they are instead of trying to imitate Germanics.

But it's not only about superiority, it's about preference and allegiance. Skadi (thankfully!) doesn't any longer allow the registration of non-Germanic members. Does this mean Skadi finds Germanics superior? Maybe, maybe not, but what it most likely means is that it prefers the company of Germanics alone. That's a normal and healthy attitude.

[Matrix]

I consider myself an ethnic Nationalist but I’m not the slightest bit interested in racial purity contests.

This is a contradiction. An ethnic nationalist who doesn't care about the concept of racial purity is not an ethnic nationalist. Ethnicity implies a certain kind of racial purity.

So although I think that blood and ancestry are important criteria, I’m opposed to racial snobbery and refuse to acknowledge any form of ‘hierarchy’ whereby 90% Germanics are deemed to be of greater value than the 75% ones, for example. Nor do I believe that this mentality benefits the wider community as a whole.

Again, this is incompatible with ethnic nationalism. If a 50% Germanic person is as valuable as a 100% Germanic person, then what speaks against ethnic and even race mixing? A non-Germanic mixing with a Germanic will result in a 50% Germanic person, and if this person mixes with a Germanic their children will be 75% Germanic, so according to this principle, ethnic mixing is ok in your book. Or how can one call themselves an ethnic nationalism and be ok with ethnic mixing?

Obviously, 100% is better than 50%, and 90% is also better than 75%.

[Finnish Swede]

Identical twins are only humans who are equal ... and even they ... against each others ... if they have lived in same environment.

Are some people more valuable than some others (as being human beings?). I'll leave that out of my reply now ... . but I think all real Christians should see them generally as ''equal'' in this context ... or they are bad Christians . Personally? I'm not ''believer'' ... so that doesn't count/limit me anyway. That's how Church and books teaches us ... doesn't matter at all what some ''Christians'' might have done earlier in history in the name of religion (as in reality they did those via pure secular reasons, benefits, targets, motivations ... and used religion just a cover/shield).

[Bernhard]

It's a bit strange how this question is sometimes turned into a debate about being pro or against ethnic nationalism. After all, when ethnicity is understood as the combination of blood and culture (which seems to be the consensus), the ethnic nationalist would have a hard time choosing between the two choices that the thread title offers. Together they constitute ethnic nationalism and giving up one means giving up ethnic nationalism. The sole focus on racial purity, like has been suggested above, therefore is a threat to ethnic nationalism and so is a sole focus on culture.
Personally I think the question is rather pointless, since we are both biological as well as cultural beings. The idea that race is irreplaceable and culture is not, seems a bit too simplistic. If we would clone Germanics and let them develop in isolation, there is no guarantee they will develop the same culture. On the contrary, it is highly unlikely. One race can thus produce different cultures (which history shows). It follows that cultures are highly unique and even more irreplaceable than races. After all, a culture also doesn't survive without its racial foundation. But a race can survive without its cultural component.

[Þoreiðar]

Personally I think the question is rather pointless, since we are both biological as well as cultural beings. The idea that race is irreplaceable and culture is not, seems a bit too simplistic. If we would clone Germanics and let them develop in isolation, there is no guarantee they will develop the same culture. On the contrary, it is highly unlikely. One race can thus produce different cultures (which history shows). It follows that cultures are highly unique and even more irreplaceable than races.

The way I see it, the purpose of culture is to advance and preserve the collective, biological body (Nation). Culture is the means, while racial survival is the goal. If one's race is lost, it doesn't matter what parts of one's culture may live on in other races (or live on at all). Not for a Nationalist.

[SaxonPagan]

I’ll just do a collective reply to posts 184-186 because they all miss/ignore/twist the point I was making and are largely irrelevant.

I was talking about an intra-Germanic hierarchy and how this is detrimental to us as a group. We cannot have a caste system on Skadi whereby some members are considered to be more Germanic than others. How we relate to OUTSIDE groups is a different matter altogether and my post didn’t touch on that. I was more concerned with the (potentially destructive) élitism we have within our own community, that’s all.

I should also point out that a lot of posts have been removed from this thread so the context in which I denounced the ‘racial purity contests’ is now lost. Please bear that in mind. I'd better not go back over this unedifying episode, except to say that IMO all Skadites are equal and should be treated as such, even by those with a superiority complex. Either we don’t have those with 'lesser DNA' on this forum in the first place or we afford them the same respect as everyone else whilst they're here.

This is not a promotion of 'racial equality', 'ethnic mixing' or any other silliness that I've just read - it's just common manners!