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Thread: Blood or Culture - What's Worth More?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agrippa View Post
    This is something everyone of our kind believes, it doesnt qualify nor disqualifies any thought or concept, yet it must be properly understood psychologically for having the self-reflection needed to reach higher Idealism on a meaningful level.

    For having a deeper understanding of how things work and being at the same time dedicated and (relatively) rational, one has to look at things others might see very emotional on a lower level, from a more abstract and higher level.
    You really think that this is something everyone of our kind believes? I would think it improbable that it would even enter consideration, but they would agree with it if it were presented to them.

    Certainly it does not have any true bearing on its truth content, but during the critical analysis of a man's beliefs, it is certainly in favor of a more fully developed system of consideration, which makes the acquisition of truth more probable, thus increasing credibility (not = to truth).
    Conversely, granted that biased opinion maybe less credible, it in itself, does not exclude the position from being correct, it just makes it less probable. A man raised with Greyhounds as pets, who has a natural bias for, and continually boasts of their performance, does not in any way reduce the fact that these dogs truly are superior athletes.

    I'm not suggesting you did not know this (which always annoys me, even if that person couldn't possibly know what I know, it's annoying regardless), I just felt like talking about it.



    Quote Originally Posted by Agrippa View Post
    You can't compare "different kinds of herds", what we have now is an environment for which active social people with a deep emotional involvement in daily life are more likely to "act social". Yet most of the time human societies were much more formed by rules and principles, rather "objective" and "factual" things, not personal orientation. You were born into group X with the belief-system Y, status Z and so on...in this structure you could grasp the relations on a more rational, structured and hierarchic base.
    What do you mean by the bold letters exactly? In what regard is this connected to my disposition of being "non herd-like"? I'd like to understand your meaning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by infratetraskelion View Post
    What do you mean by the bold letters exactly? In what regard is this connected to my disposition of being "non herd-like"? I'd like to understand your meaning.
    What I meant is that there is not just one form of social organisation, network, "herd" if you want to call it that way.

    Some forms of group formations are better for this type of personality, others for that type of personality. If you live in an environment and society in which you dont have the option of coming and belonging to "a tribe" which would fit your needs, you might become solitary, while in another environment this wouldnt be the case and you would integrate easily.

    Its also about timing, because certain developments caused by environmental influences can't be reserved and of course there are personality variants which would always have a difficult time to integrate into a larger social group - even more so with a collective spirit.

    In most cases you could make, at least with enough knowledge, a list of personality traits and requirements - comparing them with each other and you will find out that there are requirements for which this or that trait is better.
    Its part of the current culture to mix up individualisation with a mass culture and environment, thats for some people more problematic than others obviously.

    Probably this thread might be of interest for the topic, with a special consideration of psychological variants:
    http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=8778
    http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=53225

    Did you make the MBTI? Could be interesting: http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=9853
    http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=90158
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    Blood is less flexible than culture.
    We are born with it.
    Lost culture can be regained within a generation,
    lost blood is harder to obtain back,
    takes many more generations.

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    Both are important. Many people underestimate the importance of culture. Both a bloodless person and a cultureless person are foreign. The main difference is the cultureless person becomes foreign, and unlike the bloodless person, he has a chance to change that. There are two categories of cultureless persons: one category is those who were educated that way and a second category is those who chose to abandon their culture on purpose. The second category is the worst of all. Abandoning your heritage on purpose is condemnable. Both a Germanic whigger or an Iranian who integrates in the Swedish culture and starts calling himself Swedish are undesirable.

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    Good point. This topic reminds me somewhat of the topic about dating former race mixers. I'm skeptical when it comes to people who abandoned their culture on purpose, as Bleyer said, just like I am skeptical of people who once dated alien races. I can't say for sure what the matter with them is, but I recall Valkyrie said something about lacking an inner, biological barrier. If everyone were so susceptible to media influence, we would all abandon our culture and heritage. But not everyone does that.

    Thus, I would equally reject a whigger and a Negro. There are some things I can't compromise on, and one of them is selecting a fully compatible partner. My wife is a suitable partner for me and a good mother.

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    The question is similar to ideology vs. folk. Can one substitute the other? Not really, but there is always a lesser evil and a more positive, amenable choice.

    An Iranian, born in Sweden by Iranian parents, who is completely adapting Swedish culture, language and lifestyle and "denying" the Iranian culture of his forefathers will never be a Swede.

    A wigger who is Swedish by blood can never become an African. He doesn't have the genetics. But he can become a true Swede by renouncing wiggerish trends. So culture is something that can be influenced and changed. While blood can never be changed.

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    Except in cases of adoption the two are inseparable. They evolve together. Culture as evolutionary strategy.

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    There is a somewhat popular saying that "politics is downstream from culture," meaning that different cultures create different political systems, and, so thought the cultural marxist social engineers, if you can change the culture you can change politics too. What they actually did was wreck the culture and degrade the political system, which requires the culture of honor traditionally a part of Europe and her child-nations in order to work properly.

    Likewise, culture is downstream from blood. We, as families, tribes, and nations, have developed a commonality of thought and action which became our cultures. Those cultures are unique to us. They could be imitated, as many East Asians have attempted to do, but without our blood, our souls, our collective memories, any culture trying to mimic ours would be utterly false. Trying to "integrate" alien peoples into our culture not only deprives them of their own collective souls, but poisons our own culture with foreign thoughts and deeds. The more multicultural a country is, the less one tends to trust his neighbors, even when they are of the same tribe.
    Most people think as they are trained to think, and most people make a majority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blod og Jord View Post
    Blood is less flexible than culture.
    We are born with it.
    Lost culture can be regained within a generation,
    lost blood is harder to obtain back,
    takes many more generations.
    I completely agree. I also think we'd have an easier time agreeing on who's racially Germanic, European, "White," etc. than on who is culturally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bärin View Post
    And since when are you so Germanic?
    Well, since I read more about Dacians being considered Germanics too and I became more aware of it... I opened at least two threads about these theories. And I am free to believe whatever I want on the topic, right? This is a forum of free speech... I know some people don't agree that Dacians are Germanics, but there are historical proofs and theories that confirm this too... But we are not making historical debate here, in this thread, right? There are other threads for this, and also none of us is historian, I suppose, so at this level we can only make assumptions and believe one theory or another. According to the theory that Dacians and Germans and other Germanics are all Germanics, I am fully Germanic myself. And yes, I was not aware about these until quite recently... I am only glad to be able to consider myself fully Germanic now, but I had to write "Daco-Germanic" in my profile description just to avoid some conflicts with other people who don't want to recognize Dacians as Germanics. Well, I don't mind it, I am still "Daco-Germanic", and important is how I feel about it myself, not what other people are thinking. On the other hand, I am sure some Daco-Romanians wouldn't want to be considered Germanics either, but it's their problem. Sooner or later things will be cleared about these historical issues too... but not sure how soon, and if we are going to witness this or not. A lot of things about the history of Dacia, from ancient times until now, are deliberately kept hidden and "they" don't want to make further research on it... But the truth always comes to the surface, sooner or later, so we will all find out and it will be the official history, not just "legends" or "stories" as some consider now...


    Quote Originally Posted by Bärin View Post
    As far as I remember, you mentioned a German great-grandfather, which makes you only 1/8 Germanic. So you're the last person to lecture on what ethnic Germans do.
    Genetics don't work like Mathematics, so you are not entitled to say how much percentage I am German or not. Because again with this you are wrong. And I don't want to repeat what I already said above. Considering strictly the German side, I never said I am only 1/8 German, as far as I remember, and I would never ever say such a thing! Culture and the way in which someone is educated also matters, not only Genetics and Mathematics... So I am much more German than that. However, since you don't know me personally, but only by what you read here from my posts, you are also not the right person to decide about how much German or Germanic I am.

    No offence, but I think you were a bit rude in your reply to what I wrote. I understand your stance in defending the family and its values, and also the Germanics, and I really appreciate you for this, but hey, I didn't want to mean all those things, I hope after this looong answer things are more clear and we can be friends now. Or at least don't be so bitter about me, thank you!
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