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Thread: Blood or Culture - What's Worth More?

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    I only accept people as worth anything if they are decent no matter where they come from or who they are or what culture they are. Race is important to me but it may not be so to others, culture and religion may be more important. For me race is very important but that would be only if they were also culturally like me. I couldn't relate to a devout Muslim Anglo-Saxon. I don't relate at all to Afro-Heathens or to people who have married way out of their race boundary. I couldn't do that, I'd lack a vital reference from this person.

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    Re: Blood or Culture - What is worth more?

    There's a undeniable and deep correlation between the Cultural and Biological factors : amalgamated each other, they shape an ethnicity. Without one of these two factors doesn't exist any ethnicity, but only a single individual : americans in these last 60 years have propagandated their lethal "ideology of the single" (pure liberal-individualism), which, under a sparkling image of freedom and high wealth, covers a secret attempt of destruction toward the values of ethnicity. Because "ethnicity" means much more than a single human being : means a deep kinship between many human beings, and means deep tie between human beings and their ancestral land.

    Americans know very well that such concept (etnicity) can be very dangerous for their global interest in the world (especially in Europe because that's the only continent capable to rivalize with them). They fear european (especially German) nationalism, by the moment they know it could constitute a severe obstacle to their supremacy, on the long distance.

    U.S. government (i say government, not the people. People it's another thing) has the HIGHEST PREFERENCE and INTEREST, to keep Europe (particularly its strongest nations) in a state of internal division, absolutely without any trace of ethnic awarness, racial sensitivity, sense of honour, Tradition, conservative spirit, and many other things. They want as "typical european" a man without any strong identity, ready to accept all liberal capitalistic system purposes, from interracial schools to gay marriages, plus rampant feminism and so on. In few words, a perfect asshole not capable to be dangerous for anyone.

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    Re: Blood or Culture - What is worth more?

    Quote Originally Posted by Galaico
    Although I don't agree with Basque separatism, I think these words of Sabino Arana are an excellent answer for that question:

    "I much prefer a Spanish speaking pure Basque, than a Basque speaking Maketo (Non-Basque Spanish immigrant), as the language can be learnt, but once you lose your race, it is forever."
    Those are not Sabino Arana´s words in fact they have a completely different meaning:

    Si nos dieran a elegir entre una Bizkaya poblada de maketos que sólo hablasen Euzkera y una Bizkaya poblada de bizkainos que sólo hablasen el castellano, escogeríamos sin dubitar esta segunda, porque es preferible la sustancia bizkaina con accidentes exóticos que pudieran eliminarse y sustituirse por los naturales, a una sustancia exótica con propiedades bizkainas que nunca podrán cambiarla,»
    «Tanto están obligados los bizkainos a hablar su lengua nacional, como a no enseñársela a los maketos o españoles. No el hablar éste o el otro idioma, sino la diferencia del lenguaje es el gran medio de preservarnos del contacto con los españoles y evitar así el cruzamiento de las dos razas.»

    If we had to choose between a Biskaya inhabitated by Spaniards who spoke Basque language and a Biskaya crowded with basque people who only spoke Spanish we would choose the second one with no doubt because it is much desiderable the basque substance with some toxic elements which could be prevented to a toxic substance with some basque properties which will never be changed.

    Basque people have to learn their national language but it musn´t be taught to spaniards because language is another way to prevent the contact with Spanish and avoid mixing races.


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    Re: Blood or Culture - What is worth more?

    Quote Originally Posted by J.B. Basset
    Si nos dieran a elegir entre una Bizkaya poblada de maketos que solo hablasen el Euskera y una Bizkaya poblada de bizkainos que solo hablasen el castellano, escogeríamos sin dubitar esta segunda, porque es preferible la sustancia bizkaina con accidentes exóticos que pueden eliminarse y sustituirse por los naturales, a una sustancia exótica con propiedades bizkainas que nunca podrían cambiarla.


    If we had to choose between a Biskaya inhabitated by Spaniards who spoke Basque language and a Biskaya crowded with basque people who only spoke Spanish we would choose the second one with no doubt because it is much desiderable the basque substance with some toxic elements which could be prevented to a toxic substance with some basque properties which will never be changed.

    Different words, same meaning. I just quoted it by heart.

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    Blood or culture.....

    Culture. A person may be of noble blood, but if he does not ACT noble, then he may as well be the son of a peasant. Good upbringing can work wonders with unpromising genetic material. Bad upbringing can waste whatever advantage a good blood-line might impart. Mongrels have achieved greatness and some of the scions of the great have been disappointing at best and evil at worst. Why else does a noble family produce great men, nonentities, and scoundrels ?...Attempts to keep the blood-line of a ruling family as pure as possible by intermarriage have, far more often than not, proved disastrous. The king lists of ancient Egypt show that none of the numerous dynasties, about 26 in all, lasted more than a few generatioins. The blood line was kept pure by brother-sister marriages. Degeneration set in rapidly and soon, there was no one left in the dynasty fit to rule....It is only outbreeding , the introduction of fresh blood to the ruling bloodline which permits it to remain vigorous and healthy. Blood provides the raw material, culture makes the person.

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    Blood may have a higher meaning as culture is the product of blood. If your people don't protect his blood, he will lose his culture. We have here, in my country, a bunch of old men ("Académie Française") who care more about the culture we produced than those who created it, wondering if "éléphant" should be written with a "ph" or a "f"... in the meanwhile, we have production line halfbreeds who will produce nothing but spread chaos.
    We won't be able to preserve our respective cultures by means of Iranians, and vice versa, what are wiggers if not rootless Europeans? So blood or culture? Equally important, probably yes.
    Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscripti catapultas habebunt.

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    Re: Blood or Culture - What is worth more?

    In my opinion and in the simplest of terms blood is worth more than culture for the mere fact that once a culture is lost it can be revived but once blood is gone it is lost forever
    Red Beard

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    Re: Blood or Culture - What is worth more?

    Blood is ancient and primal feeling of kinship between the relatives.
    Tribes depend upon blood, and they are therefore only small units-very weak for preservation.
    Nation and race are ideas formed and refined by the culture.
    So culture can override blood because distinctiveness of nation and race
    (needed for preservation) are only possible through culture.
    as culture is something universal, it is always possible to choose good and bad. Culture can serve as a tool for national or racial awareness, but also can allow you to declare yourself as a penguin- due to growing liberalism.
    Those who are smart, appreciate the overall importance of culture, but restrict themselves from bad influences, which are not only f.e. non Europian
    cultural influences, but also the corruption of valuable character traits,
    which is higly dangerous.

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    I got this message in one of my mail lists 3 days ago and i think it is related to the topic above:



    "Xairete Hellenes kai philoi! The very fact that I even
    use this greeting in the Hellenic language brings me
    to the subject of a point I wish to make and feel
    strongly about as an American HELLEN! And that is
    indeed what I idenify myself as, a HELLEN! Not just in
    belief and practice religiously, BUT also culturally!
    Why? Because when I first fell in love with the Greek
    Gods and Hellenismos I also fell in love with
    everything "Greek!" The people who first worshipped
    these Theoi or Gods, their language, culture and way
    of life. Not only did I want to worship the Hellenic
    Pantheon, but I also wanted to become a Greek, a
    HELLEN in every sense as much as I could or can! And
    that feeling of adopting Hellas, its people and
    culture as my own remains with me today! I even
    legally changed my name to an ancient Hellenic name to
    reflect this holistic view. I eat Greek food and
    listen to Greek music whenever I can, and when I say
    my daily prayers to the Theoi I pray in Greek. I don't
    know IF I'm the only American Hellen who feels this
    way, and I already know that there are those who feel
    it isn't necessary to adopt Greek culture in order to
    practice Hellenismos! And this is my VERY point which
    I see in many ways as wrong and a contradiction so to
    speak! On some of the other Hellenic lists I noticed
    amongst many who outright state that they want to
    worship the Hellenic Gods, but don't want to be GREEK
    in any form or fashion. And some have even gone to the
    extent of condemning ancient Hellenic culture and act
    like they are horrified that anyone today would even
    want to revive it! And so these people want to
    separate the Greek or Hellenic religion and its ethnic
    Gods from the Greek people and Greekness and practice
    a ethnicless form of Hellenismos devoid of any
    cultural form or heritage to suit some American or
    non-Greek idea of what they want to practice! To me
    this is not "traditional" Hellenismos in any sense,
    but smacks of Neo-Pagan eclecticism and "do whatever
    you want" , or "anything goes " ideas!
    I love the Hellenic Gods
    and I love the land and people who worship Them,
    Hellas! And if I had my way, I would choose to become
    a Greek National and live in Hellas, the true homeland
    of my Gods! I think that Isocrates put it best at what
    definds a HELLEN! It is not race or previous origin,
    but spiritual AND CULTURALLY! If you adopt Hellenic
    ways, worship Hellenic Gods and speak Hellenic, then
    obvisiouly you ARE a HELLEN! Anyway, I hope my point
    is understood on this list and that hopefully some
    here will agree with me! If I posted this on some of
    the other so-called Hellenic lists I would absolutely
    be condemned and probabely start some flame war, which
    is NOT my intent! I just wanted to voice "my" view as
    how I see myself as a HELLEN who loves and worships
    the Dodekatheon or Olympioi!

    Errwsthe! Apollodwros.


    P.S. I am proud and glad to see and know
    that there are many on this list who support and
    admire the work the wonderful people in YSEE in Hellas
    are doing for the cause of Hellenismos over there! In
    my opinion they represent the cause of traditional
    Hellenic belief and practice compaired to the other
    groups trying to restore our religion in the homeland"





    I may not agree with his definition of "Hellene" but I certainly feel more affinity to this guy than any fundamental ethnically Greek neo-byzantine scum like this:



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    What happened to Hellenic Greece is a tragedy no one even considers while they wander around the ruins and drink up all they find "enriching" about ancient cultures and civilizations. They forget the real Greeks in the same way they forget the real Heathens and Celts and others who lost everything and gained a tourist industry. :

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