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    Quote Originally Posted by Finnish Swede View Post
    And lastly ... do you keep that above someway more allowed, pretty similar or worse than for example mixing one 100% Germanic to another who is just 90% Germanic?
    "Just" 90% Germanic..? Well, they should be hung, let alone bred with.

    I think people should just follow their senses, instincts, and gut feelings on these things, and let nature run its course, rather than getting caught up on numbers and fractions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Finnish Swede View Post
    May I ask one question?
    That was actually more than one.

    How do you see mixing of these different Germanic phenotypes (sub-races)?
    * Do you agree with it (being ok/fine for you)?
    * Do you be against of it someway (not like it)?
    I have a certain preference for/inclination towards Nordid types because this phenotype appears to produce a lot of above average beautiful individuals. But mixing of “subraces” (it’s really just a set of certain phenotypical features) has happened throughout the centuries/millenia and it would be totally arbitrary to enforce it in modern times.

    Besides, in my experience, people usually tend to go for others who don’t look too radically different from themselves (there are always exceptions of course, otherwise really interracial couples wouldn’t exist).
    A typical Nordid-looking person and an extremely Alpinid-looking partner forming a couple would look odd and bordering on the ridiculous but how often does that realistically happen anyway?

    And lastly ... do you keep that above someway more allowed, pretty similar or worse than for example mixing one 100% Germanic to another who is just 90% Germanic?
    A Nordid Slav is still a Slav whereas an Alpinid Germanic is still a Germanic. So ethnic mixing, regardless of the exact percentages, will always be “worse” than “subracial” mixing. Although I don’t view the latter as necessarily bad, as I said above already.

    That being said, “just” 90% Germanic ethnically isn’t necessarily a big deal in my book, depending on the rest of the ancestry if the latter is from a very closely related meta-ethnicity like British Celts or Western Slavs. It isn’t ideal, of course but not the end of the world.

    And chances are that, in the real world, you wouldn't know if a partner has 10% of foreign ancestry anyway, at least when it's closely related and therefore not physically visible, and probably even he/she wouldn't know it him-/herself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Juthunge View Post
    And chances are that, in the real world, you wouldn't know if a partner has 10% of foreign ancestry anyway, at least when it's closely related and therefore not physically visible, and probably even he/she wouldn't know it him-/herself.
    Oh, I think these ''hierarchy'' members would go and take DNA samples from their partners ... at first date )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juthunge View Post
    But mixing of “subraces” (it’s really just a set of certain phenotypical features) has happened throughout the centuries/millenia and it would be totally arbitrary to enforce it in modern times.
    Be careful now, you're sounding a bit Boasian. "Subracial" differences are still racial differences.

    For example, even modern-day studies show a correlation between eye color and behavior.

    The relationship between eye color and behavioral inhibition in preschoolers

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    Moreover, the great tradition of Germanic (German, English, American, etc.) racial science has focused quite heavily on intra-European "subracial" differences and their consequences. The general consensus is/was that in the Germanic world at least, the Nordid subrace is the most important.

    A Nordid Slav is still a Slav whereas an Alpinid Germanic is still a Germanic. So ethnic mixing, regardless of the exact percentages, will always be “worse” than “subracial” mixing. Although I don’t view the latter as necessarily bad, as I said above already.
    Well, the Nordid subrace is the common thread that runs through Germanics, not Alpinids. Alpinids might be fine in Austria, but they would be sore thumbs in Sweden. Perhaps the same could be said about East-Baltids in Austria. In any case, we shouldn't play too fast and loose with subraces.

    BTW, does anyone have a link to the old SNPA anthropology website? I might have the initials wrong, but it seems like it was the "Society for Nordish [something] Anthropology." I can't find it anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ward View Post
    Well, the Nordid subrace is the common thread that runs through Germanics, not Alpinids. Alpinids might be fine in Austria, but they would be sore thumbs in Sweden. Perhaps the same could be said about East-Baltids in Austria. In any case, we shouldn't play too fast and loose with subraces.
    I don't think there are real East-Baltids in Sweden (among of ''real'' Swedes). Maybe so among of some 2. or 3. generation partly Finnish families, or Mäenkieli population (North) or Samis. That is a reason, why I don't personally look ethnic or culture as I consider who is Germanic (or 100% Germanic). I think we should look blood (genetic wise).

    East-Baltid (Finn)?


    More Baltids/East Baltids (Finns)?



    ... comic detail here ... all 3 comes from one and same political party.

    Ok ... you can also find more ''Nordid'' looking ethnic Finns ... especially closely to coast areas (woman below is Finnish Swede). What to more far (eastern and/or northern) one travels from south-west coast of Finland .... the more stronger Baltid/East Baltid features will become (average level). Coincidence or not ... that goes hand by hand with N1C1 haplogroup : I1 haplogroup ration.





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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    These ideals were formulated as a future ideal, a goal to go for over the next few generations. They had little bearing on the current population (unlike what the panic propaganda wants to make of it), even a good deal of NS high ranks had not fitted the "racial elite" definition, still they supported it. That's why Heydrich became the poster boy.

    There's nothing wrong with formulating ideals.
    True. Even though some studies had been made and future policies laid down I don’t think this stuff would ever have been followed through to its conclusion.

    The National Socialists created something very close to a classless society and, having achieved this, dividing the German population along sub-racial lines would have been sheer folly.

    As with all governments, the focus of successive NS post-war ones would have been on economic prosperity first and foremost. Producing a ‘Master Race’ would not have been the main priority and most of the eugenics programme was just about removing Jewish blood from the German gene pool, plus eliminating certain conditions such as retardation etc.. How far it would have gone beyond this is debateable. Other countries (including Britain) had had eugenics movements long before NS Germany but they never amounted to much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ward View Post
    BTW, does anyone have a link to the old SNPA anthropology website? I might have the initials wrong, but it seems like it was the "Society for Nordish [something] Anthropology." I can't find it anymore.
    Same place as it's always been; https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Žoreišar View Post
    Granted, culture does have some intrinsic value. For example, I enjoy learning about the culture of the ancient Egyptians (or what's left of it). But from an ethnocentric perspective of these ancient Egyptians themselves, does it really matter if their culture lives on through the millennia, now that their biological collective is dead and gone? I would think not. Just like the event of Norwegian folk dance and folklore being practiced and revered by Blacks, thousands of years after the Norwegian People itself has gone extinct, would be completely useless and meaningless to me. In fact, I would rather have them leave our culture be, never to see the light of day again.
    This is also why I think the distinction between the two notions (blood and culture) is too artificial. While I also enjoy learning about different cultures, this doesn't represent a 'life in culture' to me. Both the example of Egyptian culture as well as future Blacks engaging in Norwegian culture are cultural like a museum is cultural. But basically it only documents elements of culture; but it's dead culture. Since culture is created by specific people, a cultural life should still be 'alive' and maintained by those people. That is why tradition feels so much more real than reconstruction/reenactment. So the intrinsic value of culture consists in the fact that only through culture people realize their inner potential and start to really live. A people that has lost its culture is just as dead as a culture that has lost its people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Žoreišar View Post
    As for cultural life being more valuable than a non-cultural life, I think it depends on the properties of the culture. Namely that it is conducive to maintaining and developing a collective sense of self and a healthy folk soul. Even in the case of humans being industrially farmed by robots, it is vital for these humans to have their spiritual and psychological needs met. Needs which are biologically ingrained in us. Culture can provide that, and perhaps, in a situation where humans have been so distantly removed from their own nature (as industrial human farming would entail), culture would have an even more important role in fulfilling these needs.
    I would go a bit further and even say that the folk soul exists in culture. Culture is the outer manifestation of the potential of an inner folk soul. In that sense a non-healthy culture affects, or rather reflects, the soul as well. Degeneration of culture is degeneration of the soul. And that's an important point, since it implies that the uniqueness of a particular culture is deeply ingrained into our being and a kind of 'rebooting' on purely racial grounds is detrimental to the individual folk soul.

    Quote Originally Posted by Juthunge
    But mixing of “subraces” (it’s really just a set of certain phenotypical features) has happened throughout the centuries/millenia and it would be totally arbitrary to enforce it in modern times.
    Out of curiosity, how would you define the difference between a subrace and a set of certain phenotypical features?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaxonPagan View Post
    True. Even though some studies had been made and future policies laid down I don’t think this stuff would ever have been followed through to its conclusion.

    The National Socialists created something very close to a classless society and, having achieved this, dividing the German population along sub-racial lines would have been sheer folly.
    Well, they did indeed intent to breed a high quality elite stock for SA/SS and other leading structures with Lebensborn, rather certainly it was intended to tickle through to all layers of society over time/generations, of course foremost to get rid off Jewish traces, but maybe also other influences like Meds or Alpinids within the German population. Within this German population, however, there are still different types (think Frisian, Saxons, Rheinlander whatever, they can be told apart, but none is more valuable than the other), not just one single phenotype. Even though it can only be assumed, it's likely that these regional differences had rather been preserved (see the Gau structures), not eradicated.

    While NS sought to remove the "classes" left over from the feudal structures and the negative fall-out from the industrialisation, it was not a hierarchy-less society. "Know your place" (within this hierarchy) was not a fun-saying. What NS tried to achieve however was that hierarchy no longer depended on wealth or lack thereof (similar to the Japanese system maybe) or to be born into a rank without chances to rise (or fall), nor to maintain, like "democratic/capitalist societies" do, a low-income/poverty class. It wasnt a "class-less" society as such, it was however very differently structured.
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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    Well, they did indeed intent to breed a high quality elite stock for SA/SS and other leading structures with Lebensborn, rather certainly it was intended to tickle through to all layers of society over time/generations, of course foremost to get rid off Jewish traces, but maybe also other influences like Meds or Alpinids within the German population. ....
    Actually, no. That Lebensborn was some sort of Stud Program for blonde, blue-eyed Aryans is a myth from Allied propaganda. It seems that Thomas Mann started it, when he made radio speeches from the US.
    The mission of Lebensborn was to take care of mothers and children who didn't have the means to take care of themselves (e.g. unwed mothers, or families with a lot of children already). This involved taking care of pregnant women, assisting with birth, helping young mothers and caring for orphans.
    Of course they were selective for what mothers and children of what fathers they'd would take care. The aim of Lebensborn e.V. was to prevent abortions, early child death and to promote higher birth rates.

    http://www.zeno.org/Geschichte/M/Der...mittagssitzung

    The SS did however have a booklet, "Gattenwahl", which promoted Eugenics meaning to be selective in chosing ones mate.
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