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    Quote Originally Posted by Chlodovech View Post
    You see, the only reason why there was still war after 2001 or why the Taliban had the capacity to wage it, is because of the longstanding Pakistani-Indian conflict. The Pakistani intelligence service (ISI) has been propping up the Taliban forever. Supposedly this is only the work of rogue elements within ISI, but that seems extremely unlikely to me. Because what is at stake is Pakistan's defensive plan in case of an Indian invasion.

    Pakistan fears that in the case of war with India its army may find itself isolated in various parts of the country, cut off from the main force. They would be surrounded, pressed against the Afghan border and eventually their destruction in detail would loom around the corner. However, if someone is in power in Afghanistan who would allow the Pakistani army to retreat across the Afghan border, regroup in Afghanistan - and then either a) launch counter offensives from Afghan territory b) tie up Indian forces on a for India useless border front or c) move Pakistani units south or north along the full length of the border to re-establish their connection with the main body of the Pakistani army still inside Pakistan by entering Pakistani territory again from Afghanistan in places where this is still possible - then Pakistan's future looks a bit brighter and military resistance may be prolonged. And that someone who would allow Pakistan to pursue this strategy is the Taliban, they're fully onboard with Pakistan's ambitions and they support it in any war with India.
    I wonder why the Pakis think that they can supply and keep a modern field army in Afghanistan under wartime conditions...and then organize a large push against India from there. They have no fuel or supply dumps there. And there is not a lot of modern roads or other transport infrastructure there.

    How do they imagine to operate an armored division in that place?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neophyte View Post
    I wonder why the Pakis think that they can supply and keep a modern field army in Afghanistan under wartime conditions...and then organize a large push against India from there. They have no fuel or supply dumps there. And there is not a lot of modern roads or other transport infrastructure there.

    How do they imagine to operate an armored division in that place?
    Perhaps Pakistan accepts the equipment loss, maybe there are hidden supply dumps already present in Afghanistan or maybe they'll secretly erect depots when hostilities commence; they must have some contingency plan in place - they'll certainly try to keep those few useful escape routes across the border open in the case of an invasion. And if armor has a hard time manoeuvering in the border area, light infantry operations remain certainly possible. Pakistan has specialised infantry, mountain/alpine units, for that as well.

    O.T.: the only thing that could unite Afghans and create some order in the chaos is a warlord who comes out on top after a power struggle and who has the loyalty of everyone who matters. Clearly that guy isn't around yet.
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    Taliban official speaks of strict punishment and says executions will return



    Taliban official speaks of strict punishment and says executions will return


    Since the Taliban seized control Afghans have been watching to see whether they will recreate their harsh rule of the late 1990s.





    ONE OF THE founders of the Taliban has said the hard-line movement will once again carry out executions and amputations of hands, though perhaps not in public. Mullah Nooruddin Turabi dismissed outrage over the Taliban’s executions in the past, which sometimes took place in front of crowds at a stadium, and warned the world against interfering. Turabi was the chief enforcer of its harsh interpretation of Islamic law when they last ruled Afghanistan. Everyone criticised us for the punishments in the stadium, but we have never said anything about their laws and their punishments,” he told The Associated Press, speaking in Kabul. “No one will tell us what our laws should be. We will follow Islam and we will make our laws on the Quran.”


    Since the Taliban seized control of the country in August, Afghans have been watching to see whether they will recreate their harsh rule of the late 1990s. Turabi’s comments suggest the group’s leaders remain entrenched in a deeply conservative, hard-line worldview, even as they embrace video and mobile phones. In his early 60s, he was justice minister and head of the so-called Ministry of Propagation of Virtue and Prevention of Vice — effectively, the religious police — during the Taliban’s previous rule. At that time, the world denounced the Taliban’s punishments, which took place in Kabul’s sports stadium or on the grounds of the Eid Gah mosque.



    Executions of convicted murderers were usually by a single shot to the head, carried out by the victim’s family, who had the option of accepting “blood money” and allowing the culprit to live. For convicted thieves, the punishment was amputation of a hand. For those convicted of highway robbery, a hand and a foot were amputated. Trials and convictions were rarely public and the judiciary was weighted in favour of Islamic clerics. Turabi said that this time, judges — including women — would adjudicate cases, but the same punishments would be revived. “Cutting off of hands is very necessary for security,” he said.



    Taliban fighters have revived a punishment they commonly used in the past — public shaming of men accused of small-time theft. On at least two occasions in the past week, Kabul men have been packed into the back of a pickup truck, their hands tied, and been paraded around to humiliate them. In one case, their faces were painted to identify them as thieves. In the other, stale bread was hung from their necks or stuffed in their mouth. It wasn’t clear what their crimes were.



    Guess you won’t see too many lads with 400 previous convictions walking around Kabul.






    Taliban official speaks of strict punishment and says executions will return 24 IX 2021.

    Just business as usual.

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    of crowds at a stadium, and warned the world against interfering. Turabi was the chief enforcer of its harsh interpretation of Islamic law when they last ruled Afghanistan. “Everyone criticised us for the punishments in the stadium, but we have never said anything about their laws and their punishments,” he told The Associated Press, speaking in Kabul. “No one will tell us what our laws should be. We will follow Islam and we will make our laws on the Quran.”
    It's not "harsh interpretation", it simply is consequent following of the text.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neophyte View Post
    I wonder why the Pakis think that they can supply and keep a modern field army in Afghanistan under wartime conditions...and then organize a large push against India from there. They have no fuel or supply dumps there. And there is not a lot of modern roads or other transport infrastructure there.

    How do they imagine to operate an armored division in that place?
    Just look at Pakis as Chinks and Afghanistan as Korea, with their aim being Japan...and vice versa, because there are Two Koreas and consequent schizophrenia.

    Both Afghanistan and Korea are easily exploitable and induced to whomever applies the leverage, depending upon which faction is in question. If you're Pyongyang, you fall for Peking and if you're Seoul, you fall for Tokyo...

    Quote Originally Posted by Chlodovech View Post
    Perhaps Pakistan accepts the equipment loss, maybe there are hidden supply dumps already present in Afghanistan or maybe they'll secretly erect depots when hostilities commence; they must have some contingency plan in place - they'll certainly try to keep those few useful escape routes across the border open in the case of an invasion. And if armor has a hard time manoeuvering in the border area, light infantry operations remain certainly possible. Pakistan has specialised infantry, mountain/alpine units, for that as well.

    O.T.: the only thing that could unite Afghans and create some order in the chaos is a warlord who comes out on top after a power struggle and who has the loyalty of everyone who matters. Clearly that guy isn't around yet.
    Pakistan has no need to worry about its supply chain in the mountains, because Afghanistan is the perfect storm for conveniently losing armaments to sit back and watch free agents do their fighting for them. All it takes is a little ego-boosting of the Afghans at hand to self-empowerment with the indirect aegis in a plausible deniability by Pakistan and there's a warlord in the making and on the make, as it were.

    Of course, although Pakis could goad Afghans into some historic justification for animosity toward the Raj playing out now that the Viceroy isn't around, it's a simple fact that Pakis claim the entirety of the North-West Frontier for themselves, which means they are not exactly a friendly interest and the Indians can point this out too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Theunissen View Post
    It's not "harsh interpretation", it simply is consequent following of the text.
    This is as true for the Koran as it is for the Bible or Tanakh. Folks always pick and choose what reading they want to of any scriptures. Considering the subject matter on this thread, I would rather rebuild the Buddhas of Bamiyan and restore the peaceful isolation to those Aryans caught in the crossfire between Abrahamists since the Great Game between London and Moscow got mixed up with the Mohammedans there.

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