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    Question Origins of the Vinland Flag?

    Does anyone know the history of the Vinland Flag? Resources that I have come across are more than funny, to be honest. Actually there's gossip that this Vinland flag



    was an invention by Pete Steele, the singer of ToN.

    The flag for Vinnland, or more precisely "the people's technocratic republic of Vinnland" appears on the back of the tree latest albums of the Goth-Rockgroup Type O Negative as well on numerous t-shirts. The flag is supposed to symbolize the republic of Vinnland situated in north America. Vinnland and it's flag are the brain child of the hulking blackhaired frontman of the band Type O Negative: Peter Steele. Steele incorporated his idea's of paganism, left/right wing political flirtations and his own heritage (his mother was part Icelandic) into a concept of a repubic named after the first name the Vikings gave to north America: Vinland. The Vikings landed in New Foundland around 1000 a.d. and built a colony there.Steele takes this idea and tries to imagine what America would be like if the Vikings had actualy stayed, and built a civilisation there. Based on that he designed a new flag in a scandinavian cross patern and gives it his favorite colours: green, black and white (which coincedently remind me of the german war cross). The concept of the people's technocratic republic only apears once in the songtitle "The glorious liberation of the people's tecnocratic republic of Vinnland by the combined forces of the united territories of Europa". In one of his interviews Steele says that he thinks the world would be better off if it were governed by scientists, hence technocratic.

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    BW - don't you love people who keep inventing flags? eyes:

    I have seen so many, all idiosyncratically labelled. They are like the people who keep re-inventing religion for us. Even more idiosyncratic. And the constant wheel of new age politics. Neo-nazi becomes Odalist, becomes ecological nationalist becomes Heathenish nationalist becomes angry, becomes confused. Then you get Christian nationalist, white Christian nationalist, Ku Klux Klan revivalist, Aryan Nations, Christian Identity, World Church of the Creator, Cosmotheist, godmen, becoming depleted by running out of incarnations. Then you get old right, new right, beyond left and right, conceptual nationalist, libertarian, becoming frustrated. Then white knights, crusaders, free masonic revivalists, racial revolutionaries, restorationists of various kinds and exhaustion through lack of patronage. Then you get the Wiccans. :runaway

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigrid
    BW - don't you love people who keep inventing flags? eyes:

    I have seen so many, all idiosyncratically labelled. They are like the people who keep re-inventing religion for us. Even more idiosyncratic. And the constant wheel of new age politics. Neo-nazi becomes Odalist, becomes ecological nationalist becomes Heathenish nationalist becomes angry, becomes confused. Then you get Christian nationalist, white Christian nationalist, Ku Klux Klan revivalist, Aryan Nations, Christian Identity, World Church of the Creator, Cosmotheist, godmen, becoming depleted by running out of incarnations. Then you get old right, new right, beyond left and right, conceptual nationalist, libertarian, becoming frustrated. Then white knights, crusaders, free masonic revivalists, racial revolutionaries, restorationists of various kinds and exhaustion through lack of patronage. Then you get the Wiccans. :runaway
    Wow! You're a very perceptive woman Sigrid. It's like a whirlwind of identity crisis.

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    It's all rather sad. I am trying to fit myself in there somewhere, lol. I was always just a boring old English nationalist. Little did I know what awaited me! :eek

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blutwölfin
    Does anyone know the history of the Vinland Flag? Resources that I have come across are more than funny, to be honest. Actually there's gossip that this Vinland flag



    was an invention by Pete Steele, the singer of ToN.

    The flag for Vinnland, or more precisely "the people's technocratic republic of Vinnland" appears on the back of the tree latest albums of the Goth-Rockgroup Type O Negative as well on numerous t-shirts. The flag is supposed to symbolize the republic of Vinnland situated in north America. Vinnland and it's flag are the brain child of the hulking blackhaired frontman of the band Type O Negative: Peter Steele. Steele incorporated his idea's of paganism, left/right wing political flirtations and his own heritage (his mother was part Icelandic) into a concept of a repubic named after the first name the Vikings gave to north America: Vinland. The Vikings landed in New Foundland around 1000 a.d. and built a colony there.Steele takes this idea and tries to imagine what America would be like if the Vikings had actualy stayed, and built a civilisation there. Based on that he designed a new flag in a scandinavian cross patern and gives it his favorite colours: green, black and white (which coincedently remind me of the german war cross). The concept of the people's technocratic republic only apears once in the songtitle "The glorious liberation of the people's tecnocratic republic of Vinnland by the combined forces of the united territories of Europa". In one of his interviews Steele says that he thinks the world would be better off if it were governed by scientists, hence technocratic.

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    On some other forum I used to be in had the same subject about this flag, but it does seem to be the invention of ToN - Steele.

    Secondly, I dont get what Sigrid is trying to say, what does that have to do with the price of rice in China? I think we are talking about this flag, not, Right - Left - Nazi and etc stuff. Dont take me wrong Sigrid, I am not jumping you, I am just sick of hearing Nazi - this - and - Nazi - that, it seems that allot of our Folk cant live past this chickenwinged guilt trip that the Jews have put out there. All IMO, no hard feelings.

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    Klokkwerx - I wasn't thinking of the actual Nazi party flag as that was a political flag and actually went into use for a while on a grand scale. I meant all these really oddball ideologies that idiosyncratic individuals suddenly decide to use to represent groups of people without asking them if they want to be so represented. There are quite a lot. I have nothing against an organisation with heraldic representation. I was thinking about people who decide to change a whole country's flag when they have a following of about seven and a half and they are making noises about ruling the world when their great day arrives.

    Incidentally, I have not been brainwashed by any Jews. You must realise that WWII was an absolutely horrific incident that killed, maimed, traumatised and dispossessed millions of Europeans. My father fought in that war. He lost friends and had his legs smashed. Every time I see a neo Nazi shoving a German tank in my face on a web site or a stiff armed salute I feel not only grossly offended but also that I am being threatened. This makes me angry and this is counterproductive. I hope you understand this. It isn't doing solidarity between Europeans of right wing persuasions any good to keep resuscitating Hitler or national socialism, or funny versions of Christianity. Besides the fact that it is wholly unnecessary. That is why we are against it, not because of anything the Jews have to say. I am not interested in the Jews in any way whatsoever. As far as I am concerned they do not exist other than as a very small group of constantly annoying supremacist whiners.

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    Don't mean to offend you, but - I'd say you should feel offended when seeing pictures of the 1940's British government and Mr. Churchill who had your father tormented in a war they desparately wanted to get off the ground in spite of peace talks, instead.

    Ofcourse, I am a younger person, so I might look at things more black-and-white (no pun intended) than you do.. but that's my opinion of the matter. And yes - the thing that annoys me most about most Neo-Nazis is their lack of intelligence, which offends me too. For me, it is that they turn those men from the Thousand Year Reich to shame with their circusbearesque imitation-behaviour.

    just my two cents.. don't shoot the pianist...

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    Yes [s.o.s.] it is possibly because I come from a more direct experience of the people who fought in that war, not only because they fought in it but also because of the way in which they felt about their homelands and about their race and about their particular folk group. It was called patriotism and it was so powerful that they sacrificed themselves and left their families to go. It was voluntary for my father, he wasn't called up. It was in honour of his folk and so off he went into the desert where he learned a great deal and communicated this to me many years later after I had come into his life. I only appeared when he and my mother were forty. So I had the benefit of my own generation's philosophy and his.

    He used to suffer constantly from pain so I lived with that pain too and watched him struggling to get out of chairs and as he grew older to hobble about using a crutch. Many of the boys from his childhood were killed. He took me to see the plaque on the sea wall dedicated to them. He fought the Italians. One of my Norse uncles was taken prisoner and marched across Italy. We have all their letters home to their families. I have my father's letters to my mother whom he had not yet married. They married after my father's truck went over a land mine in North Africa and he was trapped under the dashboard which broke both his legs at the knee. They sent him home on a hospital boat and he was unable to go back. This was two years into the war. They married and so the war became part of all of our lives whether we were part of it or not.

    The whole of society was filled with men who had been marked and they were greatly respected. They were not considered to be "dupes" or fools for having offered their lives. This is such a great insult today that to start this with us is to look for very serious trouble. We cannot and will not spit on or question our people's loyalty to their legacy of freedom. Whether Herr Hitler wanted freedom or peace or to eat up Europe. The real life scenarios are different to the ones on the web sites of the glory boys who were not there and have swallowed all the hatred and racism that has become associated with this terrible time. I find their dismissal of our relatives who fought a dictator who was responsible for the deaths of millions of young men, and many women and children, to be utterly unacceptable. Especially when the people supporting Hitler today are not even Germans. How they can do this is beyond me. I, however, will not be indulging in any of this Nazi fanzine behaviour. It is basically unrelated, and becomes ever more so, to the real world of the 1930s and 40s all over the world.

    What my generation did learn was that war is evil, destructive and serves no purpose if it is not purely defensive. The war on Iraq is proof of this. Once again, but in vastly smaller numbers, young men are being sent out to fight and die for a very questionable cause. But there are people who believe it's a just war. You always get these. They have no idea of what is really going on or that it is not in any way honourable or glorious to die like a dog with your mouth full of sand in a heat blasted desert thousands of miles from your home and family for someone's oil fantasies and another's democracy and religious conversion fantasies and for a little country that is occupying a larger country and causing Europeans to die for this. These young men, the strongest and best of any country, will not be coming home to have families. This alone, is a crime against their folk on the part of the grand war generals who sit around sticking pegs in maps and watching the war through digital technology as though they were playing a computer game - but with real soldiers and civilians.

    I do understand why your generation feels so strongly about what seems to be the glorious Nazi Empire through the glass of the past and I understand that the sight of so many seemingly single minded people marching together and bearing folkish banners is a sight envied today and never seen anywhere except places like Korea. But that whole spectacle often hides a brutal enforcement that defeats a true folkish ideal. Often these soldiers are there because they have no choice. What starts out as great and inspiring often ends up as enslaving and tyrannical.

    The folkish movement is not a militant movement in the same way that the Nazi movement was. It has no connections with Nazism. These have been thrust upon it by the neo Nazi and Christian crusader/Identity cults. They hate those like me. I have fought bitterly and rather savagely at times against them for years and they are very disrespectful towards anyone who will not join their racist and divisive ideology. Racism is not part of the folkish movement, racialism is. And there is a difference and it is a significant one. We do not sit around and insult people because of the way they look or on account of the things they cannot do, for whatever is supposedly lacking in their history or on account of their differing religions. That is racism. And I agree that a lot of modern national socialists have left all this behind and are struggling with those who are making them look bad. It's a huge problem.

    However it isn't my problem as I am not a national socialist and will never be one. WWII must not guide my behaviour or I shall end up fighting with my own folk again. I refuse to fight them. If they insist, of course, then I shall take up arms. But it will be with great reluctance as this isn't the way we should be going.

    I feel that the national socialist thing is causing the folkish movement to divide and in many cases to fight its own. That is because no matter what people say about a non-political stance, people need one or they have no direction. Besides which our countries are falling apart from liberal neglect. Other races and race mixed people are making moves on us from all directions and to me it is tragic that some war long over and done with is going to divide us at a time when we need to stand together on issues that no longer have anything to do with Jews or communists. Our battle ground is multiculturalism and the political forces of liberal and social democratic extremism practised and enforced by whites.

    The people in Europe accused today of being actual communists are now not so but are multiculturalist social democrats, elitists with dangerous political and social agendas that have wandered far from any old style Marxism or socialism. Their enemies at the moment are their fellow whites, nationalists and people who are waking up to the extreme dangers of the kind of diversity that the masses have been taught is the source of "unity".

    Today's world is overcrowded, technologically advanced on one hand and utterly backward on the other and these are being forced together in a scary marriage of opposites that can only result in chaos and catastrophe for whites. The third world is already in a state of collapse. Liberal and social democrats have let that chaos into the west and if it is not stopped dead in its tracks soon there will be no opportunity to do so without violent confrontation on one hand and dissolution on the other.

    I think, in view of some of our differing modus operandi, that we should rather concentrate on the few things we have in common rather than the many ways in which we may differ on technicalities. People unite when they have basic common ground.

    So what is this right now?

    It is not moral, as many socialists will try and tell us. It is in fact racial. That is where it starts for us in this particular arena and lifetime. Whether they admit it or not, whether they attack us or not, whether they label us or not, the race of people known collectively as "white" and specifically as European, is going down the tubes. This is the direct result of enforced multiculturalism, interracial marriage and uncontrolled immigration. The latter is fuelled by economic forces and a changing economic balance from west to east, with a resulting migration of people out of the old economies into the new and a concomitant immigration of people from poverty stricken politically unstable third world countries into the welfare arms of liberal democracies that cannot support them but that are willing to commit suicide on an ideological whim.

    After sheer racial or folk survival comes the survival of our European cultures, values and religions. The survival of our uniquely European worldview and the civilizations this has engendered. They are crumbling and falling as we speak and this is directly related to liberal humanism and the weakness of this ideology in political alliance with universalist socialism, and decaying Christianity.

    In other words, all Europeans have only two things in common that need to motivate any successful opposition to our imminent demise: Race and culture and their social and political extensions of folk and nation.

    If we could all unite powerfully on two simple and straightforward issues, we could turn our future around and regain our right to self determination. But powerful leaders are going to be needed to keep the chariot of the sun on the road so that the attempt to save something doesn't turn into the mythical burning of the world by inexperience and lack of expertise.

    All small differences should be set aside. Two great lights, like the sun and the moon in our religions, should be set into the sky of our endeavour. Race and culture. The two inalienable rights of every folk in order to secure peace, freedom, prosperity and progress.

    It's easy, really. I cannot understand why putting these two lights on and taking power should be proving to be so difficult. Unless it is because we need another motivating force to make them real. Non-negotiation on the issues of race and culture. Our peoples and our future are not negotiable. That is the clause that seals the deal. We cannot be expected to make concessions when we stand on the brink of dissolution.

    So, to quote Tolkien's warriors at the edge of Mordor "where the shadows lie":

    Stand men of the West.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigrid
    BW - don't you love people who keep inventing flags? eyes:

    Neo-nazi becomes Odalist, becomes ecological nationalist becomes Heathenish nationalist becomes angry, becomes confused.
    So you say that I'll become angry and confused, I've gone through all those stages before?! :eek ...
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    What I'd favour though is an alternative Austrian flag, in black and yellow (and maybe red) [the original national colors], with Odin's Cross straight over it...

    Kidding aside, I won't go angry and confused, and I'm not a "Heathenish nationalist", but instead a Heathen and a Nationalist, our faith is not political, at least not from my perception
    -In kalte Schatten versunken... /Germaniens Volk erstarrt / Gefroren von Lügen / In denen die Welt verharrt-
    -Die alte Seele trauernd und verlassen / Verblassend in einer erklärbaren Welt / Schwebend in einem Dunst der Wehmut / Ein Schrei der nur unmerklich gellt-
    -Auch ich verspüre Demut / Vor dem alten Geiste der Ahnen / Wird es mir vergönnt sein / Gen Walhalla aufzufahren?-

    (Heimdalls Wacht, In kalte Schatten versunken, stanzas 4-6)

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    I agree, our ancestral religion isn't political and a lot of us don't want to be political. I hate politics. But the problem is that we are being forced into supporting some or other political view, so like you, I am a pagan person who is a nationalist. :

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