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    red, black and white looks nazi?

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    Considering the fact that that is what characterises the nazi flag what is so "dumb" about it? (I saw the bit you took out about how stupid you think I am.) If I were you I would be careful not of making a t*t of me but of making one of yourself.

    When something is both obvious and well known what is the point of denying it? If that is considered to be a tactic then it isn't going to work.

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    Okay, this is heading in a direction I tried to avoid by editing...

    As you remember, I didn't say I thought you were stupid. I said it was the dumbest thing I had heard lately. Don't go about saying things I didn't say. I respect you. That's why I took it out. thank you.

    The color combination black-white-red is used widely among the world.. Prussia had it, The Second Reich, some cohorts of the Praetorians had it, some countries nowadays have it... I can hardly believe it to be nazi when it's used so commonplace. Fasces are still used today on various flags and in various guises, they are not related to Fascism in any way either. If we went that extra mile, we could say.. "Hey, Hitler's favourite food was spaghetti alla carbonara, you hate Jews if you eat it."

    that's all I ment. My first impulsive reply was a bit too harsh, that's why I edited it. But hey - I'm a 20-year old, those of my age reply first, and then think about what they say. That's why I edited it - out of pure sole respect for who you are and what you stand for.

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    I know you are only twenty. I know you have a volcano inside. I have one as well. It's never going to go out. You will get older but the volcano will only get more good at its job. We are similar.

    I also know that eagles and black red and white is in the Germanic heritage, in the Indo-European heritage, but today the combo means nazi. The swasi means nazi. National socialism means nazi. I have come to the conclusion that to waste time trying to flog a dead horse is maybe dangerous. What is important to me is not flags or even history but right now. We must become a voice worth listening to now or we are screwed. Actually, I think we will always be okay, I think our people will be screwed. We could turn our backs on them and maybe we should in some ways, you can't save them all, but there are some who need something they can build on. These are the kind of activists I have been working with. I never judge any others. What they do is what they do, if I don't fit in I just withdraw. It's petty to fight over these things. I leave that to the left. They seem good at it. I've seen them willing to sacrifice their own future to support people who are not related to them and will replace them and oppress them. They really are that blind. Maybe they should be offered the invitation to join us but not searched for if they fall off the cliff. Anyone that stupid is maybe not much of a loss, especially when our door is now open. It won't and can't always be open to all of them. It is an opportunity I suggest they take within the next decade. But then we must look like we are not going to bite them in the ass, if you see what I mean.

    I don't have the Christian desire to look for lost sheep, I have the Heathen desire to call lost wolves home. I don't necessarily have a home for them as I am an inhospitable island but I know who does and where to send them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [s.o.s.]
    The color combination black-white-red is used widely among the world.. Prussia had it, The Second Reich, some cohorts of the Praetorians had it, some countries nowadays have it... I can hardly believe it to be nazi when it's used so commonplace. Fasces are still used today on various flags and in various guises, they are not related to Fascism in any way either. If we went that extra mile, we could say.. "Hey, Hitler's favourite food was spaghetti alla carbonara, you hate Jews if you eat it."
    This statement is true.

    Even Arab flags have the Red, White, Black colors. What we need to do as a living Germanic faith / hertitage culture is ignore those who call us "Nazi-istic", or even "neo-Nazis", what do out siders know of us anyway? Ignore them and they will go away, respond to them, then you fuel their fire.

    Sigrid mentioned that she would like to call the lost Wolves home, that is fine, but look at it this way: Only the intelligent and strong Wolves come home, the other weak minded ones stray from fear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by klokkwerx
    This statement is true.

    Even Arab flags have the Red, White, Black colors. What we need to do as a living Germanic faith / hertitage culture is ignore those who call us "Nazi-istic", or even "neo-Nazis", what do out siders know of us anyway? Ignore them and they will go away, respond to them, then you fuel their fire.

    Sigrid mentioned that she would like to call the lost Wolves home, that is fine, but look at it this way: Only the intelligent and strong Wolves come home, the other weak minded ones stray from fear.
    Weak terrified people don't stray far when strong people have taken up the torch. They simply lack confidence and initiative. If someone else has it they follow. That is what rap stars and the promotion of multiculti soap opera relationships have achieved. Created "beautiful" heroes for ordinary people to follow.

    What do we need? Stars of our own. More Lord of the Rings type literature and films. I have tried getting these published but they ignore me. They say they want them but in the end they seem too scared to move out of the sacred circle of a dominated media machine. It's virtually impossible but we mustn't give up. We need heroes of our own.

    The very real problem is that when you say "let them call us nazis, what do they know of us?" you must take into account that they actually only know this image because this is what is pumped out constantly on the net as that is where our platform is. : So if we do want to make a distinction between the two images then we shall have to do more than just say we aren't when it looks overwhelmingly like we are. I've battled this problem for years and discovered that there is a nazi or a closet one round every corner and that those who are not have either gone away or gone somewhere else because they literally cannot stand it. I have seen good activists threatened by these people on the net (with a beating or death on some occasions) and I have listened to them tell me they are finished with the right and then there is silence. They go not out of weakness but out of frustration and deep disillusion. They are good people and we are losing them and keeping the bad ones. That is retro to the aspiration. The Christians bash us too, really badly. But that isn't as big a problem as they really are historical enemies. What we do not need is enemy so-called Heathens with political agendas, both left and right.

    But you have to be prepared to fight them as they are very nasty indeed and very keen to kill you off. They have nothing better to do and we have only the net to fight on. It is our Vigrid. At least that is my view. I am too far away to go anywhere else but the net. I can't wrap myself in a little community somewhere with nice folks and do rituals and have lore discussions and pretend the world doesn't exist. I have to go to the net. :

    Besides which our world out there is dying. But there are a few definite paths we can take to save ourselves from our own left wing and their mob of hangers-on.

    I'm working on something. Today maybe I'll get it done.

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    Sigrid,

    I agree that we need Heroes because we severely lack in that field right now, but comprimising our culture in any way is no option in my book, even if its giving up a few colors on a flag. We should'nt cater or conform to the mainstream media becuase they are against us, they will always be against us, they are the propaganda controlling jews (they always whine and cry over anything they dislike regardless what it is). Ignoring our enemies and keeping a watchful vigil is a good policy, but concentrating on Folk-building should be number-one, because that will for sure swell our ranks. In other words, rebuild the our Halls for the strong Warriors to come home to. The weak ones will obviouly wont make it due to being side trekked by pressure, influence, and fear.

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    klokkwerx - Just because we make compromises now, it does not mean that we will have to make them forever, does it? Once our stance is accepted and respected in anyway, we can make demands and tell the truth about the flags. Of course, our culture is not to be compromised, but it may not be wise for our cause of promoting our ancestral faith if we wear all stereotypically seen things on our sleeves. I mean, of course I could run around with a Swastika in Germany and be sued for it, and then claim that it was for religious purposes, etc etc etc - but it will not help us at all. So, at the minute, it may be wiser to not have the look of one stereotypically NS; but when we have gained more respect, then we can demand things off the public to see that these have indeed been misused.

    Of course I spent most of my time telling people that the Black-White-Red flag and the Fylfot are not NS signs, but the reason why they listen to me is because I approach them in a civil manner. If I wore all those things on my bomber jacket, then I would not even have that chance to promote what we are all about and people would just thin "Oh, another one of those Asa-troo-ahr, didn't the NYT write last summer that they were white supremacists, and rightly so." Which of course is bullsh**t. So, to promote ourselves, we must find a golden way that allows us not to compromise our culture yet still find respect in these hard days.

    Well, just my £2.57.
    -In kalte Schatten versunken... /Germaniens Volk erstarrt / Gefroren von Lügen / In denen die Welt verharrt-
    -Die alte Seele trauernd und verlassen / Verblassend in einer erklärbaren Welt / Schwebend in einem Dunst der Wehmut / Ein Schrei der nur unmerklich gellt-
    -Auch ich verspüre Demut / Vor dem alten Geiste der Ahnen / Wird es mir vergönnt sein / Gen Walhalla aufzufahren?-

    (Heimdalls Wacht, In kalte Schatten versunken, stanzas 4-6)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd
    ...but the reason why they listen to me is because I approach them in a civil manner.

    So, to promote ourselves, we must find a golden way that allows us not to compromise our culture yet still find respect in these hard days.
    Look at how many people there are who are against the jew runned media and politics, a whole lot! What do the jews do about it? They just ignore those who speak against them, or start calling names. The ignoring business is good, and if you had to explain yourself or promote, then you said it from above.

    Compromising should'nt be an option!

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