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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd View Post
    This Guardian article for instance writes about this being the case both in Hungary and Poland, which both have a quite conservative cultural hegemony with strong ruling parties (to the point that even the Left attribute this hegemony to Orban's party and their success).
    That's good news. Although, the article brings up some stats among young Poles: "Among men aged 18-30, 62% said they supported nationalist, populist or far-right parties and 33% backed liberal or leftwing ones. Among women, 55% supported liberal or leftwing parties and 43% were in favour of the nationalists."

    Not a gigantic difference, but if only either of the sexes were to vote, it would tip the scale in opposite directions.

    Even in the case of Hungary, I can imagine the slight female numerical advantage among voters for Fidesz can be explained by men voting for even more staunch Nationalist parties, like Jobbik.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd View Post
    If you believe that voting behaviour is governed by what happens in the ballot box alone, then you're very naive. People tend to be scared to vote what their peers believe to be the "wrong" choice. There is, by and at large, more at stake for women, by risking exclusion from a social circle than there is for men - for biological and social reasons.
    I am well aware that people internalize the self-image they project outwardly, but the question was whether or not people (or women, specifically) risk anything by going against this at the ballot box. They don't.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd View Post
    I criticise women at the same level I criticise men when the criticism is on equal merit. Here it's not: Women naturally seek structural stability. If men are supposed to be those to afford that stability, then women breaking away from sensible politics in drones is more the fault of weak men than it is of women: if men "get stuff done" then the absence of "getting stuff done" is also their fault.
    So it basically boils down to: women shouldn't have the vote, but it's all men's fault for giving them the vote in the first place.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd View Post
    Turning the feminist logic around and pointing fingers about how women supposedly ruined all whilst men didn't have a part in letting all this slip won't help at all.
    I, at least, have never stated that. Men have failed in a variety of different ways.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd View Post
    Instead, they will just tend to vote with what seems to offer stability even if in it doesn't in the long run: Not getting raped & having your kids killed by the conqueror but instead being protected is what counted in the Stone Age and that's not only a long term question.
    I'm not sure I understand your point. "Women vote for stability, even if it doesn't lead to stability"..?
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    I always vote when there is an election and of course I always vote for a nationalist party. But if it was possible that I could trade in my right to vote and get a free nationalist German state for it, where our race, culture and traditions are preserved and where my children could still live in happiness, safety and freedom, I would gladly do so. This would be a great deal. So my right to vote is certainly not my top priority, when I could get more important things instead.

    On the other hand, this whole question could also be solved by giving the right to vote only to people who have done something for the country. Like men who did military service or women who are married and have had Germanic children. Just a thought.

    Of course we could also abandon the right to vote completely and have a king rule over the country but this would only be good if the man is a true king (in regards to his personality, morals, ethics and attitude). We certainly don't need a tyrant and if such a tyrant ever came to power, it should be possible for the people to get rid of him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Žoreišar View Post
    That's good news. Although, the article brings up some stats among young Poles: "Among men aged 18-30, 62% said they supported nationalist, populist or far-right parties and 33% backed liberal or leftwing ones. Among women, 55% supported liberal or leftwing parties and 43% were in favour of the nationalists."
    That doesn't contradict what I said about "hegemonial voting", instead it supports it to some extent. The Eastern European countries seem like a beacon of sense to us, because their zeitgeist isn't as rotten. At the same time, liberalism is spreading into this area as well.

    As such, western mindsets that lean towards the left also enter the youth. Sure, to a much lesser extent, because in Poland even the climate protesters use signs saying "save bees not refugees" without issues, and because the Polish left is usually still further right than the German centre-right.

    But it shows these countries need to halt their highway towards Westernisation, quick, because they suck up the dangerous tendencies as well, and do so much quicker, naturally.

    So it basically boils down to: women shouldn't have the vote, but it's all men's fault for giving them the vote in the first place.
    If your view is that women shouldn't vote, then yes, that's the consequence of the argument. It's not my view though,I think the female vote can be salvaged with a changing hegemony, and otherwise think that most men are as dumb in their political choices as their female counterparts, too.

    I'm not sure I understand your point. "Women vote for stability, even if it doesn't lead to stability"..?
    The left/liberals have made a good job of making it seem like they stand for stability, whilst patriotic and nationalist movements are somewhat unstable, dangerous and/or likely to make yourself into a pariah. They do this in a very successful manner and it won't be easy to break that. So yes, in essence, it's an illusion of stability they offer them now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nordic Angel View Post
    Of course we could also abandon the right to vote completely and have a king rule over the country but this would only be good if the man is a true king (in regards to his personality, morals, ethics and attitude). We certainly don't need a tyrant and if such a tyrant ever came to power, it should be possible for the people to get rid of him.
    That's the essential question. With a Platonic type philosopher king that kind of operates in a "Father Knows Best" manner with letting people live their lives for the most part, but stepping in when they slip up and thus acting as a type of "benevolent dictator": I do think most people would not fuss with that arrangement and that's probably why I previously strongly advocated it.

    However, the Platonic philosopher king is very rarely attained. And even when they do appear, their successors are oft likely of a lesser profile (getting yourself into the "half a mile up the old ruler's ass" area usually shows other 'qualities' than apt leadership, too), making this too volatile an eternal arrangement. Philosophy is always as good as the best ideal - but practice is always as good as its worst possible outcome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd View Post
    That doesn't contradict what I said about "hegemonial voting", instead it supports it to some extent. The Eastern European countries seem like a beacon of sense to us, because their zeitgeist isn't as rotten. At the same time, liberalism is spreading into this area as well.
    Could one part of the explanation be that they've only been voting for about three decades, and hence not been subject to the effects of female voting patterns for as long as the West has?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd View Post
    If your view is that women shouldn't vote, then yes, that's the consequence of the argument. It's not my view though,I think the female vote can be salvaged with a changing hegemony, and otherwise think that most men are as dumb in their political choices as their female counterparts, too.
    They evidently are not. Men vote for more traditional, Nationalistic and conservative policies across the board. I've said it countless of times in this thread, but for some reason, it doesn't seem to stick with some.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd View Post
    The left/liberals have made a good job of making it seem like they stand for stability, whilst patriotic and nationalist movements are somewhat unstable, dangerous and/or likely to make yourself into a pariah. They do this in a very successful manner and it won't be easy to break that. So yes, in essence, it's an illusion of stability they offer them now.
    I think the left/liberals have been making an absolute mess of it. They've had the majority power in most of the Western World at least since the 60s, and they've produced anything but stability. Dismantling of the traditional family, women's introduction into the workforce, mass-immigration, multiculturalism, gay pride, transsexualism... These are not hallmarks of stability. They are radical and revolutionary to the core.
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    I don't believe in democracy anyway, but you can't deny that female suffrage has only made things more difficult for us.

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    Funny how it coincides almost exactly with the total collapse of western civilization.
    Its almost like women's suffrage destroys civilizations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    As a Nationalsocialist, you should overcome this view and reconcile both. While there are male and females roles based in Nature/biology, which no one denies, excluding women from the political life based on the christian view, merely for being female, only continues the Jew-imposed Gender War.
    The National Socialists actually mostly excluded women from politics and many other professions, cultivating a model that was closer to traditional gender roles like the 3Ks (Kinder, Küche, Kirche) than to feminism and this "both sexes are equal" nonsense. NS policies undid the feminist emancipation that took place under the Weimar Republic, which they saw as Jewish/Marxist in origin. Women were generally not allowed to hold political positions within the NSDAP and were banned from the Reichstag. The few women who were involved in politics (Reichsführerin Gertrud Scholtz-Klink was the biggest exception to hold a function) dealt with women's issues and promoted motherhood and child rearing as a woman's primary task in life. Women's and girl's organisations as well as schools prepared them for this task (domestic skills training were taught for example). Careers were a no-no for the ideal NS woman, who was given financial incentives to stay at home. Up until the war caused significant losses of men who went to the frontlines, women were banned or restricted from teaching in universities, serving in civil, judicial, medical professions, etc Some of the single women who worked were favored in nursing, childcare and factories. Women were also discouraged from pursuing university studies, as this would distract them from their natural roles. Universities had quotas of about 10% women's enrollment. The ideal role of a NS woman was to be a staying at home, faithful mother and spouse, she was to support her husband, as well as get involved in traditional women's activities such as cooking, child rearing and housework.

    Hitler saw equal rights for the sexes as a Marxist idea (which it truly is) and detrimental to women because they would be drawn in a zone where they could only be inferior to men and society as a whole, and hence weakened. Feminist and "women's rights" groups were banned. Especially as the war broke out, women were expected to do their motherhood duty and produce German children. The more children a woman had, the more she was rewarded and held in high regard (such women received a motherhood award). Vanity was also discouraged, (again, rightly so), for example women were not allowed to wear makeup, trousers or any revealing fashion (like skirts above the knee). Diet fads were also discouraged, as they needed to be healthy in order to give birth to many children. Contraception was difficult to obtain and abortion was banned, so women could not slut around without consequences, as they do today. Unmarried women who became pregnant were taken in by the Lebensborn to prevent abortion. So the NS were much more patriarchal than this feminist nonsense of "liberating" women and placing them on an equal setting to men. Men and women are different, so they should pursue their natural roles. The natural role of a woman is to be a mother and wife, not to step in the shoes of a man which she couldn't fill accurately anyway. The best and most talented politicians have always been men, it is only natural.

    Women's suffrage was one of the biggest mistakes in our history and it is continuing to cost us severely. It was women who campaigned for and brought in all this feminist, equality for all nonsense idea and extended it to other minorities. Women who support such feminist ideas view themselves as yet another minority, yet another "oppressed" group and the white man as the enemy/oppressor. It is no wonder they sympathize with aliens and the LGBTQ. Until women return to embrace their natural roles, our people will continue to suffer.

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    Yes, I believe women should have the right to vote. Saying they shouldn't become some women don't vote right-wing or conservative is not a good enough argument in my opinion, since that is politically discriminatory. The whole point of a system where people can vote is to choose between several options, some which are different or even opposed to each other. However I believe one big reason why women don't vote right-wing is because right-wing parties don't really make an effort to cater to them. Some right-wing figures are known to make anti-women statements, what is a pity because it has the potential to put off even those women who are socially conservative at heart.

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