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    Quote Originally Posted by Hermelin View Post
    Voting rights should be restricted to intelligent individuals, regardless of gender. Gender should not be the issue, intelligence should be.

    The misogyny here is worrying.
    I am against women's suffrage and I most certainly do not hate women. I am sure many of the men who do not believe in women's suffrage and equal opportunity will tell you the same. Equating sexism with misogyny is rather low and very typical of feminists.

    And, like it or not, gender is an issue. To deny it as one is just as foolish as denying race as an issue. It is a fact that men and women have different voting trends with the majority of women voting alongside minorities, gays, immigrants, etc. for the least conservative policies. Restricting the vote to (white) males would essentially be restricting the vote to the most conservative and intelligent individuals of the population and the most capable of grasping the knowledge that is vital to politics. As a paleoconservative, I'd imagine you'd find that favorable and certainly less risky than relying on your fellow women, who are, unfortunately, not like you, me, Gertrud Scholtz, and Margaret Thatcher.

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    Actually, I am not talking just about this thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deary View Post
    Equating sexism with misogyny is rather low and very typical of feminists.
    I strongly disagree with you on this. There might be gender voting trends; however I do not think this would be a good enough reason to exclude ALL women from voting . Politics needs input from both intelligent men and women.

    Let's assume for a minute that individuals aged less than 50 years old are found to vote "alongside minorities, gays, immigrants, etc. for the least conservative policies." Would you suggest restricting the vote to individuals of at least 50 years of age?
    Last edited by Hermelin; Saturday, December 13th, 2008 at 11:35 PM. Reason: Addition

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deary View Post
    I am against women's suffrage and I most certainly do not hate women.
    Being a woman yourself, you actually feel you are ill-equipped to express your views at the ballot? Astonishing. Voting for something is merely expressing your views. Your views are heard here on Skadi, do you feel they are inferior to those of men?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Deary View Post
    I am against women's suffrage and I most certainly do not hate women. I am sure many of the men who do not believe in women's suffrage and equal opportunity will tell you the same. Equating sexism with misogyny is rather low and very typical of feminists.
    I do not believe in any sufferage. Men or Women.
    There are men of a higher order and women of higher order in my view.
    If an individual wants to polish the boots of all the individuals of the male gender, I guess they have decided where they rank in that order.

    It is a fact that men and women have different voting trends with the majority of women voting alongside minorities, gays, immigrants, etc. for the least conservative policies.
    Not in Denmark.


    Restricting the vote to (white) males would essentially be restricting the vote to the most conservative and intelligent individuals of the population and the most capable of grasping the knowledge that is vital to politics. As a paleoconservative, I'd imagine you'd find that favorable and certainly less risky than relying on your fellow women, who are, unfortunately, not like you, me, Gertrud Scholtz, and Margaret Thatcher.
    More detail here please. How do you consider the four personalities you gave to be similar?

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    I don't think anyone is saying women should not be allowed to vote because of lower intelligence levels.

    The problems are:

    Women have less interest in national news and politics. Both based on both my personal anecdotal observations and the statistics in my earlier post:

    http://forums.skadi.net/showpost.php...0&postcount=36

    This means, regardless of intellectual capability, women tend to have a lower knowledge base, particularly as regards to facts and positions on issues which don't make it into sound bites and headlines of major media organizations.

    Also, a greater tendency to make judgments on superficial or emotional means, and evaluate things based on short term benefit as opposed to long term effect. Articles from womens' magazines admit as much, though they don't quite use that terminology:

    http://www.msmagazine.com/spring2002/steinem.asp

    In the Harris-Setlow poll, 71 percent of the women questioned believed that "women are more sensitive to the problems of the poor and underprivileged than men are." A majority of women believed that "women attach greater value to human life" and "have more artistic ability and appreciation of the arts than men do." A majority of both men and women were convinced that a woman president would be less likely to take the country into war.

    Women also believed that females were more pacifist than males; cared more about protecting consumer interests; found war less justifiable under any circumstance; and were generally less hardened to the suffering of other people. These cultural differences, the women respondents said, would be evident in decisions made by a woman in office.

    Summing up both the 1971 and 1972 polls, Louis Harris agreed. "Women are voting differently from men," he said. "They are more inclined now to vote and to become active not only for their own self-interest, but for the interest of society, the world, and most of all, out of compassion for humanity."

    All the post-election polls concluded that women voted less for Nixon or Wallace than men did, but women voters were still not turning out in the same proportion as men. If they had, Humphrey would have won in 1968.


    [this has now been reversed, women now vote in higher proportion than men]


    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Being a woman yourself, you actually feel you are ill-equipped to express your views at the ballot? Astonishing. Voting for something is merely expressing your views. Your views are heard here on Skadi, do you feel they are inferior to those of men?

    There's a number of groups I belong to who I think probably shouldn't be allowed to vote, including 'renters', 'people of low income', and perhaps less seriously 'residents of Massachusetts'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SwordOfTheVistula View Post
    There's a number of groups I belong to who I think probably shouldn't be allowed to vote, including 'renters', 'people of low income', and perhaps less seriously 'residents of Massachusetts'.
    In other words only well-off people should vote. I have a problem with that. Many rich kids have no idea what goes on in the real world. Often the working class, poor and hard-working people have a more realistic concept of what needs to happen at governmental level. Only rich people to get the vote? No way!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    In other words only well-off people should vote. I have a problem with that. Many rich kids have no idea what goes on in the real world. Often the working class, poor and hard-working people have a more realistic concept of what needs to happen at governmental level. Only rich people to get the vote? No way!!
    I would have a requirement that you must pay more taxes in to the government than the amount of benefits you receive from the government in order to vote. If you don't have this type of limit, then you get a situation like today where people elect politicians for the sole purpose of securing them benefits, and it leads towards a situation where you can have 51% vote in a government which promises to take resources away from the other 49%.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hermelin View Post
    Voting rights should be restricted to intelligent individuals, regardless of gender. Gender should not be the issue, intelligence should be.

    The misogyny here is worrying.
    How is being opposed to female suffrage misogyny? Women in the West didn't have it so bad before they got the vote. In the bad old days when White men were in charge they didn't have to worry about being sexually assualted by Negroes or Islamic immigrants. The contemporary world with universal suffrage is a much more misogynist society then the one that existed before women got the vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SwordOfTheVistula View Post
    I would have a requirement that you must pay more taxes in to the government than the amount of benefits you receive from the government in order to vote. If you don't have this type of limit, then you get a situation like today where people elect politicians for the sole purpose of securing them benefits, and it leads towards a situation where you can have 51% vote in a government which promises to take resources away from the other 49%.
    Exactly. And poor people today vote on economical issues (and they are not even concerned about what is good for the economy either, only what is good for their own wallet and maybe also what is good for other poor peoples' wallets). As long as the socialists promise them more benefits they don't care about their social agenda, (they might even buy into it since the socialists are obviously the good guys since they provide hand outs, so why would they be wrong on social issues?) even though social policies have a huge impact on society. They are in a very real sense ignorant, and should not have any influence what so ever in society. Not that the rest of the population is that much better, especially European populations that have a strong tradition of social democratism.

    I think the basic tenet of democracy, that the people is capable of deciding these matters using rationality and reason, is false. It is utopianism, and it doesn't correspond with reality.

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    An electorate that is broad enough to include women is, I believe, even more necessary than America's second amendment in keeping the government at least somewhat accountable to the people.

    I have to admit I find the whole question of reconsidering women's suffrage as bizarre as, say, reconsidering the merits of indoor plumbing or modern tableware.
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