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    The Hidden Army of Radical Islam in Bosnia

    Sky News has obtained evidence of hundreds of radical Islamic Holy warriors hiding in Bosnia, a decade after the end of the war. Tim Marshall went to Zenica in search of answers. He found a growing radicalisation, and a new base for Al Qaeda.

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    Re: The Hidden Army Of Radical Islam

    Bosnia has become a rathole after their war. Supported and feeded by Northern Europeans which they now like to see dead.

    One should be careful with whom one helps. In some occations, not helping is a much better help, at least seen in a wider perspective. And halfway work is good for nothing. The allied attack at Serbia came 2-3 years too early.

    This is a variant of the old saying:

    "- It is not easy to forgive the one that one has harmed.."

    "- It is not easy to forgive one that has helped..."

    Europe should use its military superiority and clean up Bosnia/ Albania once and for all. ALL muslims should be deported from European soil. In humanistic ways, as far as possible.
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    Re: The Hidden Army Of Radical Islam

    Well... I don't see the situation in Bosnia as serious as you showed it in this thread. 95% of Bosniaks (read - Bosnian Muslims) love Europe, esspecially West and Central Europe more than any other part of the world.
    It is true that there is one small group of people so called "Wahabi" in Bosnia, influenced by some Arabian trends (maybe even terrorists) and they are trying to increase their influence in Bosnia. Fortunately, the Islamic community in Bosnia (Cerić and Kadić) are still trying to keep the old "Bosnian Islam" on. For example, Kadić considers that the scarf is one very unimportant thing for muslim women, the cartoon-protests are not as necessarily as the protest against the terrorism and other kinds of violence all around the world, and the most important thing for Muslims should be the education and economy...
    I think that Europe has to help us to heal our traumas and nobody here would feel the needness to turn its eyes to the East...
    And when you say that Europe supported us during the war... Yes, the medias and the artists and the humanitarians and the most of simple people - we appreciate this a lot (the Bosniaks generally love West Europeans more than Croats and Serbs together), but the politiciants, the politics? No, we were left here, unarmed, in the Balkan mountains, to be killed...........

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    Re: The Hidden Army Of Radical Islam

    Look here what the good Bosniaks let into Europe.

    http://www.balkanpeace.org/temp/tmp13.html

    If they are not flushed out, I can assure you, few will be concerned with the plight of the Albanians or Bosnian Muslims. Croats and Serbs will not be invading your country in the near future, so maybe the Bosniaks should take the initiative to cement a lasting friendship with their neighbors by slaying or deporting these foreign terrorists.
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    Re: The Hidden Army Of Radical Islam

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahren
    Look here what the good Bosniaks let into Europe.

    http://www.balkanpeace.org/temp/tmp13.html

    If they are not flushed out, I can assure you, few will be concerned with the plight of the Albanians or Bosnian Muslims. Croats and Serbs will not be invading your country in the near future, so maybe the Bosniaks should take the initiative to cement a lasting friendship with their neighbors by slaying or deporting these terrorists/foreigners.
    I don't expect you to believe me, but www.balkanpeace.org is just one big propaganda campaign, far away from the truth.
    First of all, the Arabs and other Muslims who came to fight in Bosnia in 1993 (it happened 1 year after the Serbs had occupied 75% of Bosnian territory) were sent by Western goverments, most of them already had some West-European-countries' citizenships, mostly British and French.
    Look at one fact, very important indeed... they came here in the moment when the Bosniaks were totally besieged, we didn't have any possibility to leave the country, at least not alive or to accept anything or anybody from outside. We were getting the food from the UN planes, they were throwing it down. And those Arabians were coming here, the Croatian soldiers/goverment had let them come here? How could it happened? We didn't want them, we'd already had enough people to defend ourselves, we only needed the arms.
    Here's another fact... How do you explain the involving of the Serbs and the Croats in the Bosnian Army, even some generals like Jovan Divjak, Dragan Vikic, Slavisa Sucur etc., in Sarajevo, 20-30% of all soldiers were not Bosniaks or Muslims at all.

    Regards of deporting those terrorists... Many of them are already in Guantanamo and outside of Bosnia. This year will be the last year for revision of illegal Bosnian citizenships.

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    Re: The Hidden Army Of Radical Islam

    Quote Originally Posted by Bosanka
    No, we were left here, unarmed, in the Balkan mountains, to be killed...........
    I am sorry.

    Not that my execuses are worth much, as I write against Islamic enclaves in Europe.

    However it is very brave and respectable of you to defend your people here. I can imagine your feelings when reading all this antislamic postings, also indirectly against your nation.

    IMO neither Islam, Christianity or Jews have any natural place in Europe, rather conterary, they have costed us much, and the price is still rising.

    What has a place here are what we have deloped ourself here, sucked of own breast. The submission-philosohies may be good for Middle-Easterners, but are poisonous to European cultures.

    You are very brave. I take off the hat for you. Be strong.

    Again, I am sorry for the sufferings of your kinsfolks.
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    Re: The Hidden Army Of Radical Islam

    Hello!

    Thank you very much for your post, I am unbelievably surprised...

    Quote Originally Posted by Asthor
    I am sorry.

    Not that my execuses are worth much, as I write against Islamic enclaves in Europe.
    You don't need to be sorry, I understand that you are just expressing your opinions based on your own experiences.

    Quote Originally Posted by Asthor
    However it is very brave and respectable of you to defend your people here.
    Yes, you probably ask yourself the question why am I on this board discussing this... I am willing to confine myself to polite discussion, and avoid offensive rudeness.
    I just want to figure out a big difference between "my people" and other Muslims in Europe. They are immigrants and we are native Balkan people. On the other side, if we (Bosniaks) are rude and primitive we are just the same or even a bit better than some other Balkan people (don't want to name them here). At least in regard to the criminal.
    So, why are we bothering you at all? We are only 2 millions living in Europe and the Balkans is our homeland, we don't have any extra-country in the world.
    Regarding immigrants, I don't like them in my own country, and I would never immigrate in any country myself.

    Quote Originally Posted by Asthor
    I can imagine your feelings when reading all this antislamic postings, also indirectly against your nation.
    I am not too sensitive to words, they don't kill, at least not directly

    Quote Originally Posted by Asthor
    IMO neither Islam, Christianity or Jews have any natural place in Europe, rather conterary, they have costed us much, and the price is still rising.
    True. Not religions by themselves, but their leaders.

    Quote Originally Posted by Asthor
    The submission-philosohies may be good for Middle-Easterners, but are poisonous to European cultures.
    True as well. You are probably afraid of increasing amount of Muslim immigrants in Europe, after a while, they could demand some "rights" which have no connections to hard-reached Western civilisation, but with Islam and submission-philosophies as a part of Islam theology.
    I can understand this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Asthor
    Again, I am sorry for the sufferings of your kinsfolks.
    This is another reason why I am here... I do not want to experience another war/genocide during my life.

    Thank you again, this is how I imagine all people should act...

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    Thanks for great posting!
    Thank you very much for your post, I am unbelievably surprised...

    You don't need to be sorry, I understand that you are just expressing your opinions based on your own experiences.
    This is what I call spiritual greatness, or amazing grace.

    They are immigrants and we are native Balkan people. On the other side, if we (Bosniaks) are rude and primitive we are just the same or even a bit better than some other Balkan people (don't want to name them here). At least in regard to the criminal.
    Bosnians are in fact much better than some of their former allies. I am not even sure if how I shall consider the Albanians claim, that they are human.
    So, why are we bothering you at all? We are only 2 millions living in Europe and the Balkans is our homeland, we don't have any extra-country in the world.
    Muslims, even good people, are agents for Islam. I think the solution lays in de-Islamication, that will take at least 20-30 years. Islam should not have a brigdehead at the European continent.

    Not religions by themselves, but their leaders.
    I consider Jesus the leader of christians, as Mohammed the leader of muslims. The religions are the leaders wills. The believers becomes tools for the prolonged wills of their prophet.

    True as well. You are probably afraid of increasing amount of Muslim immigrants in Europe, after a while, they could demand some "rights" which have no connections to hard-reached Western civilisation, but with Islam and submission-philosophies as a part of Islam theology.
    What is happending in Norway makes me rage. I have seen more than enough. Again, the Bosnians are no problem, but they are Muslims. That is enough for me, to depart anyone.
    This is another reason why I am here... I do not want to experience another war/genocide during my life.
    Your avatar looks like a princess, and you are royal of mind.

    Thank you very much. I wish you all the best, from the bottom of my hearth. Be strong!


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    Re: The Hidden Army Of Radical Islam

    a muslim friend of mine, an italian who choosed Islam told me that Islam in Bosnia has a turkish origin with a SUfi traditional background and a big european culture and civilization in fact.

    He has been in BOsnia for Dawa Foundation in the time of war and he saw the differences by Islam from Arabics and traditional Sufi Islam of origins.

    mainly Bosnians come from local ethnic group and not from abroad as some ignorant can claim in this kind of discussions.

    Fundamentalism came from Salafism who is an Arabic Saudian trend made by a fanatic but ideologically unbalanced view of Islam.

    Islam of whaabism is a failure and has been supported by some dirty project of neocolonization of USA fro getting into disorder and civil wars some area of world in aim to put troops inside as they are doing "de facto".

    I hope that Bosnian friend will confirm my infos.
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    Re: The Hidden Army Of Radical Islam

    I consider Jesus the leader of christians, as Mohammed the leader of muslims. The religions are the leaders wills. The believers becomes tools for the prolonged wills of their prophet.
    I had in mind some other kinds of leaders.

    Islam should not have a brigdehead at the European continent.
    Ok, it's just your opinion. It will not be possible without the war in the sense of the crash of civilisations.

    What is happending in Norway makes me rage. I have seen more than enough. Again, the Bosnians are no problem, but they are Muslims. That is enough for me, to depart anyone.
    What's the percentage of immigrants there? Around 10%?

    Your avatar looks like a princess,
    She was a Bosnian queen.

    and you are royal of mind.

    Thank you very much. I wish you all the best, from the bottom of my hearth. Be strong!
    I also wish you all the best... and really, thank you for understanding once again.
    Take care!

    Quote Originally Posted by Spartacus74
    a muslim friend of mine, an italian who choosed Islam told me that Islam in Bosnia has a turkish origin with a SUfi traditional background and a big european culture and civilization in fact.

    He has been in BOsnia for Dawa Foundation in the time of war and he saw the differences by Islam from Arabics and traditional Sufi Islam of origins.

    mainly Bosnians come from local ethnic group and not from abroad as some ignorant can claim in this kind of discussions.

    Fundamentalism came from Salafism who is an Arabic Saudian trend made by a fanatic but ideologically unbalanced view of Islam.

    Islam of whaabism is a failure and has been supported by some dirty project of neocolonization of USA fro getting into disorder and civil wars some area of world in aim to put troops inside as they are doing "de facto".

    I hope that Bosnian friend will confirm my infos.
    100% true. Thanks for your posting.
    I would add something... the fact that Islam in Bosnia almost didn't exist in the period of socialism. And it has never existed in the form of radicalism or strong following of Islamic rules, even not during the Ottoman era.

    But, as I already mentioned, the wahabism has its presence in Bosnia in last 10 years. It is a small group but very recognizable... All wahabians (as we call them) have the same type of beard and short trousers. They are mostly Bosniaks from Sandzak (Serbia) or ex-addicts or... Most of them have similar stories. The truth is that this phenomenon came here from the west, as I already mentioned. Even some ex-British and ex-American diplomats confirmed it... But, it's a long story...

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