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    I found this article to be interesting. On the outside, it's about nutrition, and how omnivorous diets are better than vegetarian ones. However, the author goes into some detail (perhaps unwittingly) about how early European man developed a larger brain and higher intelligence from the nutritional and societal benefits of gathering and eating meat.

    http://www.t-mag.com/nation_articles/304warr2.html

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    Well I am a firm believer that we should eat both meat & (alot) of fresh vegetables. It is interesting to observe in nature that the carnivorous animals do show more signs of intelligience in terms of personality (more complex way of thinking, though maybe this is due to the demand of the brain to actually hunt & capture the live prey.....rather than just grazing on vegetation). Even our domestic pets shows signs of this. Cats & dogs do respond more, than say a pet rabbit, goat, budgie. (though Parrots have the abililty to learn).

    A diet high in protein has also been said to keep you slim/lose weight...like such diets as the Atkins diet. Though it has been observed that protein supresses the appetite, moreso than a diet of soley vegetation & fibre, carbohydrates etc.

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    The anatomy of H. sapiens suggests a mixed diet. Chimps have a larger gut than humans and their intestines contain a bacteria which enables them to digest cellulose. We can't do this. They, chimps, can get calories out of twigs and bark.

    From droppings found in caves we know Neanderthal's meat intake was up to 85% of their diet. The average European eats about 14% of his calories as flesh foods. Neanderthals, as far as I know, did not eat fish--no evidence in their sites for fish scales. Sapiens did eat fish. We know that fish oil is very benificial for us in terms of heart health and cancer prevention.

    Chimps can manufacture vitamin C in their bodies. Chimps can also manufacture all 22 essential amino acids. We can not manufacture C and need to eat 7-10 amino acids as we cannot manufacture them. All the essential amino acids are found in flesh foods. One wonders if Neanderthals could manufacture vitamin C but lost the ability to manufacture so many amino acids as sapiens. They didn't need to do so since they ate so much meat. Evidently, Neanderthals could not manufacture vitamin D any better than we can as they suffered from rickets. This must mean that Neanderthals, living in some areas of glacial Europe such as near the coasts, had skin as light as ours if not lighter. On the other hand, climatic conditions on the Central European steppes would have involved high pressure cold areas, as in Greenland today, which would have caused wind to blow from the glaciers from east to west (or northeast to southwest) which might have produced a more sunny, but cold, climate. Perhaps Neanderthals living there had light skin which could tan.

    European people involved in herding developed a retention of lactase secretion into adulthood, allowing them to digest milk sugar, lactose, as adults. This mutation spread into the Near East and into East and South Africa at a later date. This means Europeans (most Europeans) are adapted to eat milk and milk products. This is a huge evolutionary advantage, opening up a whole new source of food for those able to take advantage of it---a whole new niche.

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    Actually contrary to the Atkins diet, the slimmest people eat the most carbs and the fattest people eat the most protein and fat. The Atkins diet has scored last in pretty much all fields when compared to other fad diets.

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    Post Re: Meat eating diet

    Quote Originally Posted by Zimmer Mann
    Actually contrary to the Atkins diet, the slimmest people eat the most carbs and the fattest people eat the most protein and fat. The Atkins diet has scored last in pretty much all fields when compared to other fad diets.
    This thread should be split.

    Where did you hear that? As far as Europeans go (possibly except for Neolithic types), a low carb, high protein diet is better, as that is what we evolved to eat. When European man was developing, he didn't have farming and grain. Just look at N. America to see what I diet high in processed carbs does in regards to obesity rates. Also, low carb diets don't automatically mean Atkins. From what I understand, that diet is very high in fat (and not just healthy fats).

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    Very interesting Dr. Wolff. I have heard that it was the European's fish consumption that helped them develope larger brains as well. Perhaps that would explain the disparity between them and Neanderthals in regards to brain function.

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    The thing is that 'good diet' doesn't always equal 'slim body'

    European UP types were never designed to be as slender as Neolithic types ( whose features are a sort of image of beauty in the modern world ).

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    Quote Originally Posted by AWAR
    The thing is that 'good diet' doesn't always equal 'slim body'

    European UP types were never designed to be as slender as Neolithic types ( whose features are a sort of image of beauty in the modern world ).
    I think we should realize that "good diet" is both related to your living, what you do and what you are.

    To be slim in young age is in fact a healthy and beautiful condition and was in almost all times with the exception of hunger-suffering societies, thats at least true for all Europeans as far as we know.

    In young age to grow fat is always pathological, may there be psychological or physical reasons.

    But on the other hand, some of the heavy build people which growing fat so easily today would have never in the past because they had to work, move, just do much, much, much more than today.

    The typical stone age hunters didnt work the whole time and could do what they want for the most time, because hunter-gatherer subsistence is not that intensive.
    But they had to move over long distances and were in general physical active - demanded.

    So if you need more energy is just logical to eat much and fat.

    The problem is that today people have oftentimes boring jobs and life and are used to eat not because of hunger, but because of overindulgence.
    Our brain says f.e. sweet things are good because the sweet fruits had the important vitamins and energy, but if we eat fat-sugar-chocolate its a substitution.
    We cheat our natural instincts for overindulgence, thats all.

    If people with a boring and consumption oriented life dont move to much as well, they dont even need the genes for heavier build at all, they all get fat and in a way ugly with time.
    But those which have this genes dont just grow fat, they get pathological fat, in way monstrous.

    Normal heavy build Athletics and Pyknic people are not really fat but muscular or roundish, a little bit chubby.

    Thats a normal condition in Europeans, but what we see in the USA and more and more in Europe isnt a normal condition and was never.
    Anormal conditions were never the ideal with the exception of religious or decadent societies which werent oriented on functionality and health

    Sumo ringer f.e. might be fun to see for Japanese, but if more than a small group look like that, this would harm the effectiveness of the society, which is the reason why the react.

    Our whole society is unnatural, cheat our natural instinct, let the people live without less real satisfaction and more and more substitution via consumption and pressure with career oriented protestant work ethic.

    Meat is in a healthy and good diet usually included and the problem is mainly that people dont eat because of hunger but to enjoy the self-indulgence in a decadent society without real satisfaction in daily life.

    Would be interesting if genetically healthy people in normal families with a good environment, good community and less distress have any fat people in young (-35) age no matter what food they could get.

    I really doubt that.
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    The risks of regularly eating red meat

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    ^Epidemiological studies of this kind are useful up to a point. There seems to be no doubt that red meat increases mortality risk on average.

    The problem with this kind of study hovever, is that doesn't tell us why red meat raises mortality. It could be the case for instance that it doesn't raise mortality until someone passes the age of 50, 60 or beyond. Alternatively may also be the case that it only raises mortality if the rest of the diet is typically unhealthy or if insufficient exercise is engaged in.

    The way in which the meat is raised may also be a factor in how healthy it is to eat. For instance, in the U.S where this study was carried out, cattle are typically raised indoors and fattened on crops such as maize and grain which they would not consume in the wild. It may be that grass-fed beef does not increase mortality to the same extent.
    Close observation may result in feelings of horror, wonder and awe at world you find yourself inhabiting.

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