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    Post Re: Long Bones Growth Variation

    This article is highly recommended and a must read!

    Thanks again for posting it Franz!

    This is one of the first works in recent times which absolutely confirmed my theory that the major shift in body proportions in modern humans with the exception of extreme cold or in region with extremely poor nutrition is mainly determined by the social organization and subsistence pattern.

    That the biggest differences in Europe occur between Palaeolithical groups which adapted themselves to the new economy and higher fertility rates (f.e. Alpinids) and such groups coming from the South or developed from UP too which adapted themselves to the herder economy and nomadic-strongly organized patriarchalic organization (Nordids, Atlantids)

    This resulting in a type with long range (longer arms and legs), a more Leptomorphic head and body and more adapted for war and going after long distances.

    Because I think that such similarities between herder groups in tempered and warm climate are not by chance and that the physical and mental characteristics formed a highly specialized variant of nomadic herders/warriors and semi-nomadic combined economy (herders-mobile farmers) with a strong warrior oriented societies.

    I just hope that some scientists go further on that and probably determine the exact influence by nutrition and the exact reproduction rates of the different types.
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    Post Re: Long Bones Growth Variation

    Quote Originally Posted by Agrippa
    This article is highly recommended and a must read!

    Thanks again for posting it Franz!

    This is one of the first works in recent times which absolutely confirmed my theory that the major shift in body proportions in modern humans with the exception of extreme cold or in region with extremely poor nutrition is mainly determined by the social organization and subsistence pattern.

    Cold alone probably doesn't affect the proportions, as much as the nutrition that is available at high latitudes.

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    Post Re: Long Bones Growth Variation

    Quote Originally Posted by atlanto-med
    Cold alone probably doesn't affect the proportions, as much as the nutrition that is available at high latitudes.
    Do you mean ontogenetic or in populations by selection?

    In individuals I know that you can see malnutrition and diseases in the long bones best (Harris lines), therefore influence by nutrition might be possible.
    Better nutrition makes people taller and gives them longer legs in general, although the difference seems just too big for that time and region between agrarians and herders.

    In population its another question.
    Because if its about selection there are examples of cold-related shorteing of the legs (Lappids, Eskimids, Tungids and Mongolids in general).

    But of course, I think its in that case (Southern Russia, Ukraine) more related to what I stated: The antagonism of herder-warrior and farmer subsistence. The advantage of higher fertility rates in settled economies with poor nutrition and many diseases - more children are dying but some will survive can play a role as the authors stated too.
    So far I dont favouring the concept of r-/K selection if its about farmers/herders although I think it played a secondary role, but I keep it in mind and this article gave me new material.
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    Post Re: Long Bones Growth Variation

    Quote Originally Posted by Agrippa
    In population its another question.
    Because if its about selection there are examples of cold-related shorteing of the legs (Lappids, Eskimids, Tungids and Mongolids in general).
    I suspect that a difference in food supply must be responsible to explain why some temperate races are taller than others.

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    Post Re: Long Bones Growth Variation

    Quote Originally Posted by atlanto-med
    I suspect that a difference in food supply must be responsible to explain why some temperate races are taller than others.
    For height food supply is decisive, for body proportions is cold/climate more important.
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