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    For Britons: Celtic or Teutonic Paganism - Or Both?

    Which one are Brits supposed to follow?

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    Depends what kind of Brit you are; the United Kingdom contains both Celtic and Germanic communities, and various regions are a patchwork of both cultures. If you're English, you should pick a Germanic/Teutonic tradition.

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    Follow the one you feel "at home" with. Read about all and find out with which one you can identify most. One of them will "speak" to you.

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    Please refrain from using the horrible term 'Brit'. :

    It's an artificial construct, invented by dark powers in media and cultural spheres in an attempt to lump the British islanders together, thus desensitizing us to our individual heritages, with the intention that we will eventually forget them completely.

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    When I did not know much about heritage and blindly thought that with Welsh/English ancestors I must be Celtic I read up on it a bit and it left me flat. Made even less sense to me than Greek mythology which I found quite fascinating in school (but not as a personal religion). Then I discovered Germanic/Norse traditions and my soul awoke. I believe I am more "Germanic" than Celtic. Ideally you would follow that which is closest to at least part of your blood ancestors beliefs but as those probably differed to some extent from valley to valley (and we are usually descendants of many valleys) I think it is a valid compromise to follow the generalized religion of Celtic, Norse or Germanic Heathenism, whichever is closer to your blood. Which calls to your Folk soul? Try and read things like the Eddas rather than modernized versions of the myth stories to get a truer sense of what it is really about.
    Note: many things that are used in the Celtic revival (jewelery/culture/art/paganism)that seems to be happening have Germanic elements, some of it is just similarities and some of it is straight borrowing -like many of the non-christian "christmas" traditions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blutwölfin
    Follow the one you feel "at home" with. Read about all and find out with which one you can identify most. One of them will "speak" to you.

    Agreed

    If you are English maybe you could look up Wodenism.

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    Two things;

    Blood - Your ancestral ties are important in my opinion. You will be extremely lucky to have 90% Germanic blood in you, more than likely it's a combination. I follow my ancestral religion, my fathers side is Anglo-Saxon, i always go up the male line when it comes to ancestry, religion included.

    Ofcourse there is a problem (good or bad) if you have mixed blood. My mothers side is actually according to family myth from Ireland. So i find myself in an odd position, im both Saxon and Celtic.. therefore something else must be taken into consideration...

    What feels right - this is most important, it is absolutely no good following an ancestral path if it feels wrong or unsuitable. You must definately give it some time, try to connect with the gods, your ancestors and do some really deep research.
    At the end of the day however, you must go with what feels natural or right. What clicks with you and makes deep hearted sense.


    On another note, since i have mixed ancestry i have always considered mixing both pagan "paths" but i have not as of yet. Does not feel right for some reason.

    Take it all into account, seperate wheat from chaff.. and just slowly develop what feels right.

    Hope that helps.

    Aldgorn

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aldgorn
    Two things;

    Bloodi always go up the male line when it comes to ancestry, religion included.
    I read in pre-christian Britain the female line was more important .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightjar
    I read in pre-christian Britain the female line was more important .
    Among Celts, yes.

    On the other hand, patrilinear ascendancy was the rule among patriarchal societies like Rome or Greece.
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    The Asatru Folk Assembly (AFA) had an article by Steven McNallen once about how many similarities there are between the Germanic and Celtic traditions and about the number of "Germanic Celts" and the difficulty sometimes telling them apart.

    I lean toward both these traditions and I feel this is a blood thing. I find some aspects of Heathenism to be very unrelated to my personality. Whereas I find aspects in Celtic religion to be compatible.

    I have studied Heathenism for many years and have recently begun to look into the Celtic side. I find aspects in both that are similar and compatible. I am completely disinterested in national socialism and bearing twenty children to a huge beer soaked oaf who has shaved off all his hair and thinks women were created to spend their lives serving some or other masculine purpose concerned with warrior consciousness and warfare.

    I am not a feminist so Wicca is totally out of the question. It is what the Asatru Alliance once hilariously referred to as "Jehovah in drag". I like the Asatru Alliance, I can't help liking them, they have balls, but I don't know if I am like this kind of Heathen. I have tried to join Heathen groups before but have fallen foul of really outdated chauvinists, of the plainly uneducated and uneducatable and the constant underlying racism has turned me away. I am not a lefty nor a multiculturalist but neither am I a proponent of the outdated ideas some of these people have about life and society.

    I don't know where I will settle eventually. I am always sorry to find myself moving away from certain aspects of Heathendom but they just repel me. Perhaps the Irish focus will revive me. I know I have to do something about the way I keep feeling in terms of my Heathen beliefs. They won't change but I can see myself knocking on my Celtic kin's door in the near future for somewhere to rest and work and study and not feel like I was drowning in blood.

    I wonder how others feel on this subject, especially women. Do they ever feel that they have had enough? I looked at the Hellenist (Greek) pagan sites today to see how they approach things and it was a pleasure to see them putting emphasis on their legacy of art and philosophy, science and politics. The Julian Society is also very focused on Roman virtue. One always gets the feeling that one can meet with these people, and rest and talk and leave feeling one has been enriched. And that one has not left civilization. Heathens tend to be overtly focussed on peasant culture and therefore neglect the pursuits of the intellect to a damaging degree, I feel, and when they do go into it it is invariably from a power politics angle. But that is their right. If they want to do things this way they must go ahead. However they lack women in their movement and there is a reason for this.

    Some people are trying to rescue the situation and I hope they manage to but I feel myself drifting away in some respects.

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