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    Question Who knows in depth about Folkish Asatru?

    If anyone knows all about it please explain me some stuff.......:Newbie

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    It's easy to get sidetracked when thinking about religion, so I'll stick to the big questions. A common misunderstanding is that Asatru is ~the~ old religion. It is not. It is a modern construct derived of old sources, but the 'old religion' can not be rebuilt. The reason is that 1) our sources are incomplete and 2) there was no one 'old religion.'

    Ethnocentrism: Asatru in its various modern forms ranges from multicultural groups like the big one in Sweden to strictly ethnocentric, even familio-centric as with the radical Odhinists of America.

    Soul conception: There was no one idea of soul among the ancients. It was certainly not the monolithic, contained self of Christian idea. The Norse alone believed several things...the soul might go to Valhalla or Hel, it might become a ghost or spirit (fylgjur) or might reincarnate. The important thing is that the ancients didn't believe in a single, "true" answer.

    This agree with modern philosophy when it comes to metaphysics. We just have to shrug our shoulders and say, "I dunno."

    Modern versions of Asatru which are folkish (tribal) also vary. One may believe in the gods literally. Or you can take the view that they are avitars or aspects of the high and unknowable God. Or an atheistic view might be that the gods are personifications of natural powers or ideals (thunder, fire, wisdom).

    In the end, an "answer" may hold for a few generations or the life of one person. But in the long run, Aryan religion/philosophy is a question, not an answer. Those who purport to have 'the answer' (like Christians) are deluded or liars. It is the probing, the question, that makes Aryan 'religion' ever-dynamic...always repeating the basic questions. If one chooses to 'believe' something...well...that's their choice.

    What thing I am I do not know.
    I wander secluded, burdened by my mind.
    When the Firstborn of Truth has come to me
    I receive a share in that selfsame Word.
    Rig Veda I:164:37

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    Here's a couple of version of Asatru which are ethnocentric (folkish):

    McNallen's Asatru Folk Assembly:
    http://www.runestone.org/flash/home.html

    HeathenFront:
    http://www.heathenfront.org/index2.htm

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    What is this about?

    "When the Firstborn of Truth has come to me
    I receive a share in that selfsame Word."

    This is the essence of all which is in the Upanishads.
    Now Upanishads have talked of the doctrine of the single individual Atman and the cosmic Brahman(which is present everywhere as the Upanishads tell us).

    But is to be verified and felt and percieved through experiences and our senses guide us and help us. We have to know and questioning alone may not have us the answer since one might feel compelled to accept an answer on some given occassion and that person may also provide a reason by logic, which may not be entirely true, just in order to sustain life for if death and birth are opposites then birth must be preferred, since death might seem terminal to some on some occassions.

    But Upanishads talk of what is life which goes beyond death in this form. Atman may be the energy and Brahman the unified field which is not an interfering lord-like creature of someone's imagination.

    But again, it is left to every individual person's experiences if he has any access to that Atman, Aadhar and Brahman.

    Seer Yajna Valkeya in Brihadaranyeka Upanishad says to his wife Maitreyi:

    'Verily, the Self is to be seen, to be heard, to be perceived, to be marked, O Maitreyi! When we see, hear, perceive, and know the Self, then all this is known.

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    Originally posted by OnionPeeler
    Here's a couple of version of Asatru which are ethnocentric (folkish):

    McNallen's Asatru Folk Assembly:
    http://www.runestone.org/flash/home.html

    HeathenFront:
    http://www.heathenfront.org/index2.htm
    I've already read through both of those sites a long time ago, What I'm really looking the words from the ancient peoples? Survived in secret through underground

    Personally, I like to believe in reincarnation and Valhalla. I have personal proof for myself to believe in. What can we make of people who have said they feel intense heat when invoking the gods or putting on a necklace that is a symbol of them??

    This topic is so dymanic and endlessly interesting

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    I'm not sure you'll find much in the way of 'underground texts'. Most everything that has been found is publically available.

    The nearest thing to 'underground' survival usually involves a transformation of original source into 'politically (religiously) correct' stories from later Christian writers. Nearly all of the Keltic and Anglo-Saxon material comes to us this way. Even some of the Nordic details are corrupted by writers like Saxo Grammaticus such that it is difficult to determine whether the ancients believed something or Saxo embellished.

    The best in old material you've probably already seen: Voluspa, the Greeks, Rig Veda. Sometimes a new vellum is discovered in Iceland but authenticity is often questionable. Hittite fragments continue to be discovered and translated (there's a large backlog), but the Hittites appear to have adopted much from the local Hurrians. The Thunder God is clearly present, as he also is in Bharat (Indra), Greece (Zeus) and the north (Thor). But I am aware of no genuine 'underground' material.

    Most claims at having 'discovered' lost 'wisdom' are modern and bogus, I'm sorry to say.

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    Post A different view...

    is that what is 'underground' is genetically underground. That is, our character, both individual and collective as Aryan, awaits purer expression. In this regard, the best counsel is from your own heart...and that of trusted friends.


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    Rahul, what is Upanishads?

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    Post Upanishads

    Upanishads are the series of lectures which some philosophers and teachers of that ancient age delievered and all that they discussed or debated, present in the Brahamana texts, to arrive at the truth of existence.

    Upanishads, also known as Vedanta, represent much of the thought from the four Vedas, and yet all Upanishads are not really that old, a lot of dubious text was created during the past one thousand years and termed Upanishad, even though it had no relations whatsoever with the true seed of Vedanta.

    A good and elaborate introduction by Freidrich Von Max Muller.

    http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/upan/upinvol1.htm

    And there is another essay on Introduction to the Upanishads.

    But part of these are also of a dubious origin.

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    Thanks for the explanation. I have to admit that I don't know anything about the Aryan beliefs in other areas besides Germanic/Scandinavian ones......

    I think it's the worst crime in the world to pervert the divine words of our ancestors. I can hardly believe in the amount of corruption in it all. I guess the best way around that is to read it from sources you trust to be accurate.

    Otherwise it's like listening to jews lecture about the klan........

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