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    Post Armenian and Turkish are not IE

    HLA alleles and haplotypes in the Turkish population: relatedness to Kurds, Armenians and other Mediterraneans

    Authors' affiliations:A. Arnaiz-Villena1*, M. Karin2*, N. Bendikuze3, E. Gomez-Casado1, J. Moscoso1, C. Silvera1, F.S. Oguz2, A. Sarper Diler2, A. de Pacho1, L. Allende1, J. Guillen1, J. Martinez Laso1
    Abstract: Turkish and Kurdish HLA profiles are studied for the first time. The comparative study of their allele frequencies, characteristic haplotypes, genetic distances with other Mediterraneans is complemented by neighbor-joining dendrograms and correspondence analyses. Turks, Kurds, Armenians, Iranians, Jews, Lebanese and other (Eastern and Western) Mediterranean groups seem to share a common ancestry: the older "Mediterranean" substratum. No sign of the postulated Indo-European (Aryan) invasion (1200 B.C.) is detected by our genetic analysis. It is concluded that this invasion, if occurred, had a relatively few invaders in comparison to the already settled populations, i.e. Anatolian Hittite and Hurrian groups (older than 2000 B.C.). These may have given rise to present-day Kurdish, Armenian and Turkish populations.

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    Lightbulb Re: Armenian and Turkish are not IE

    The article states that Armenians are IE. Here is a quote from it:


    "The haplotypes A33-B14, B35-DR11 and B49-DR11 show that Armenians belong to the older Mediterranean substratum. The Armenian Diaspora may have displaced a common Armenian haplotype A33-B14 to all over the Mediterranean, including to the westernmost part"

    "In summary, it seems than Turks, Kurds and Armenians are very close genetically and all of them seem to have been living in the area for many millennia, because typical Asian HLA genes are not found (39, 42–44). Probably, small different ‘‘elite’’ invaders imposed different languages on these three different groups who originally spoke a similar pre-Indo-European language (36). Armenians (Urartu 900 B.C.) and Kurds (’’Kurti‘‘) probably were initially splits of Hurrian groups (2nd millennium – 1st millennium B.C.), the Kurds remaining mainly at the mountains. Thus, the postulated Asian invasion (1200 B.C.) is not noticed on our HLA genetic studies. Finally, the cause that Greeks are genetically different from other Mediterraneans (Figs. 3 and 4) is that a part of their genetic pool comes from sub-Saharan Africa. Greeks are related to Anharic, Oromo and Fulani groups from Etiopia and Burkina-Faso (19)."

    The reason Turks are so closely related to Armenians is because for centuries they have been stealing children and women from the Armenians. Same goes for Kurds, because during the Ottoman Empire the Christian Armenians had little or no rights and the Muslim subjects could do whatever they wanted to do with Armenians. So this mixing was one way.
    What I do find surprising is that this articles says that Greeks related to people from sub-Saharan Africa.

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    Post Re: Armenian and Turkish are not IE

    Kurds and Armenians lived in the area for millenia. A small number of central Asian Turks and Turkified Iranians came to Anatolia and Turkified & Islamized the locals ( Kurds and Armenians ).

    If you look at a map of Armenia, you can see that it was many times larger than the Armenia of today, and most likely the Armenians once made a greater percentage of
    the population in Anatolia and ME.

    The Armenian natives weren't slaughtered, but a great part was Turkified, the same fate was of other Byzantine citizens such as Greeks, Kurds and other, older Anatolian ethnicities ( who were hellenized by Byzantium and then Turkified by Turks ).

    So, it's no wonder that Turks are close to Armenians, if it was possible to trace ancestry back to the 9th and 10th century AD, many modern Turks would find that both their male and female ancestors were once orthodox Armenians.

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    What is a Turk for you ?

    So many people have been brainwashed to become Turk...
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janniss...ing_and_status

    Even some sailors from North Mediterranean ports, when they where found guilty of killing (in a brawl) a muslim or stealing (accused of) choose to convert as "Turk" because Chaaria was more severe for Christian (death penalty sometime occured if you kill in "legitime defence" a Muslim)

    To avoid taxes, some christian of the occupied Balkan choose to convert, then become full Turks to increase their social/politic position.

    I don't even speack about the raped slaves (greek, slave,...) in early Ottoman harems...

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    Quote Originally Posted by aksel View Post
    The article states that Armenians are IE. Here is a quote from it:
    The reason Turks are so closely related to Armenians is because for centuries they have been stealing children and women from the Armenians. Same goes for Kurds, because during the Ottoman Empire the Christian Armenians had little or no rights and the Muslim subjects could do whatever they wanted to do with Armenians. So this mixing was one way.
    What I do find surprising is that this articles says that Greeks related to people from sub-Saharan Africa.
    Greeks are NOT closely related to sub-Saharan Africans. They are related to southern Italians and to other folks from Asia Minor and Southeastern Europe.

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