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Thread: Christian Atrocities: Three Centuries of Heathen Persecution

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    Jews will heavily applause for this thread.
    Hypocrites!
    As if any group of man on earth existed without atrocities.
    And if a so called christian establishment now or almost thousand
    years ago killed and persecuted others they are and were off the track and
    went terribly wrong!
    You think you have a better choice for your afterlife than Jesus Christ from whom you say he is one of your most hated group the jews?
    You are just wrong in both ways.First Jesus was not a jew but God himself.
    Read John vers 1
    http://www.wort-und-wissen.de/bibel/...=43c=38&vr=kjv
    and for your ego read this.
    Job 33:
    http://www.wort-und-wissen.de/bibel/...18&c=38&vr=kjv
    and Proverns 8:36
    But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul:
    all they that hate me love death.

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    Christianity "defended" Jerusalem from the Muslims, who were btw back then by far better developed socially, culturally and scientifically than Europe. And that the Muslim hordes fell into Europe can be well regarded to the invasion that you proudly call the crusades, meddling with THEIR territory. Now, you dont want to tell me that Jerusalem is Europe, right? That would be ridiculous, even for you.
    This is why I am absolutely opposed to government run schools. Unfortunately, even so many members of this forum are brainwashed into thinking we were the bad guys during the crusades, and that WE were the attackers. We are made to believe that we were socially, culturally, and scientifically less developed than the Muslims. This simply is not true.
    Most of the advancements that are said to have come from Muslim countries, came from non-muslims (Christians, Jews, and Pagans). Islam spread very quickly after Mohammed's death, but it took hundreds of years for their conquered lands to really convert to Islam. The muslim overlords would live as minorities in the lands they ruled.

    One would have to have had a very biased, censored education to believe that we were the attackers in the Crusades. You would have to believe that the fighting actually started after Pope Urban gave his speach in Claremont in 1025. In actuality the Muslims had been on a constant offensive for 400 years before the Europeans finally decided to put up a defence. By 1025, the Muslims had already conquered all of the Middle East, and the old Persian empire, all of North Africa, all of the islands of the Mediterranian, Spain, Part of France, Southern Italy, They had incurred far into Eastern Europe, and were currently besieging Constantinople (The back door to Europe). Though they had already lost Spain by the time of the Crusades.
    Though they had not yet attacked any Germanic territory, we feared for our way of life.
    When we say that the Crusades started in 1025, it's like saying World War II started with the Allied invasion of Normandy, and completely ignore the war that had been raging long before.

    Do you REALLY believe that we fought in the crusades for the liberation of the Jews in Jeruselem (We actually sacked Jerusalem and conquered it for ourselves). If you really believe that, you were a good little student and didn't read Pope Urban's speach, as you're not supposed to do. For if you had, you would know that one of the reasons we incurred so far into Muslim territory was for the protection of European pilgrams to the "Holy Land" from the savage attacks of the Muslims.
    You would also know that the Muslims brutally tortured their victims. We're supposed to believe that we were at least as brutal as the Muslims. But that's simply not true. We had a sense of mercy. We would generally leave the innocents alone (though you could find exceptions during the Crusades, we generally treated the muslims that we conquered well, and even interbread with them).
    The Muslims on the other hand would kill everybody in the towns that they conquered men, women, and children. And they would badly abuse and discriminate against those that they allowed to live.

    We should always be suspicious of our schools when they try to teach us that our ancestors were evil in an effort to turn us against them, and renounce our own people and cultures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _ada_ View Post
    Jews will heavily applause for this thread.
    Hypocrites!
    Yes, and Hitler was a African Jew in the employ of Rothschild and the other Jewish bankers.

    As if any group of man on earth existed without atrocities.
    Of course not, and I have no problem with atrocities. It all depends on who's on the receiving end. What I have a problem with is an ideology that turns our people against itself, as in the 30-years war; or the Albigensian crusade. And so on.

    And you need to get over that fiction that the bible somehow is the actual word of God. It is not.

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    @ Ada

    The bible was written by priest with an interest in power-politics and oppression of ordinary folk. It is written in a way to deceive people. Once you see through it then you get the lies out of you and return to the pristine myth and teaching of our ancestors who had no interest in deceiving the people for selfserving interests. My heathen ancestors had the best of the people and the best of the Gods in mind. That is very different than the monotheist deception and corruption. (after christianity got rid of the Gods and tried to destroy science, scientists did the same as the priest, get rid of the now one and only God and declare everything comes from matter).

    Once you clear your mind from the christian corruption and manipulation you become a free human being. Living without the fear and guilt and whatnot they instill in people to control them.

    I am a free friesian and nothing can bring me back to grovel before an idol and imagination, basical a demon representing nature, of the christian faith. That demon is my enemy, something I have to overcome to be a free and enlightened being, one to become an equal member to my Gods, to join the clan of beings who are really great and enlightened.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberman
    For if you had, you would know that one of the reasons we incurred so far into Muslim territory was for the protection of European pilgrams to the "Holy Land" from the savage attacks of the Muslims.
    That is indeed the problem. We are Germanics, the socalled "holy land" has nothing to do with us. Our holy sites were in the lands that Tacitus called Germania, the Irminsul, the holy woods, the great Thing places, the lakes in which gods bathed and what have you.

    Jerusalem on the other hand was none of our holy sites, Jerusalem has nothing to do with our way of life, with our gods or our religion, it is not even remotely near to our lands. It has nothing to do with us as a people. It was not our business either to "secure" access for christians or jews, against muslims who have just as much a "right" to the Temple Mountain as the jews or christians have, which just once more reinforces that all three are but sects of the same thing.

    We dont have use for either of it though.
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    Our origins lay outside of Europe as the Paleolithic continuity theory now virtually has no scientific support. The Aryan (Indo-European) homeland was outside Europe (e.g. Anatolia) or on the borders of Europe (e.g. around the Black Sea). Thor Heyerdahl traced Norse origins to Azerbaijan, while Tacitus' Mannus (the mythical progenitor of the Germanic tribes) can be found in ancient Indian texts as Manu. It is also a well known fact that Indo-Germanic and Norse mythology has its origins from outside Europe.

    The idea Germanics are not linked to the middle-east, or even further east is completely incorrect. Therefore to criticise the Bible and promote this silly idea the Germanics only lived in Germany is fallacious.

    Where do you think the Germanics sprung from? An ex nihilo creation directly in Germany? Of course not. They migrated there.

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    So that means Germanics come out of Jerusalem?

    The holy land is a metaphor and as such not even a germanic one.

    Jerusalem is hebrew: Eretz Shalom the state of peace.

    The dumb christians believed that the city of Jerusalem is holy, not the concept of a state of peace.
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    I'm saying that there was a presence of Germanics or related Indo-Europeans there in ancient times, but not that they migrated from there originally. Indo-Europeans moved into the middle-east from the Black Sea region as early as c.5000 BC.

    Note that the Old Testament asserts that the natives of the entire region of the Levant were not Semites (but instead considers them to have sprung from Ham). The Semites only invaded Mesopotamia from a far later period. So contrary to the modern misundstanding. the Bible is not Jewish or ''alien to Germanics'' as it deals with the history of pre-Semite Indo-Europeans such as the Sumerians (though some still debate their ethnicity). The Semites merely copied and borrowed much of the early history of the Sumerians (and later Babylonians down). According to the assyriologist P. J Wiseman and his 'tablet theory', the entire book of Genesis was in fact written from as early as the 4th millenium BC in Mesopotamian cuneiform script, not Hebrew.

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    The Sumerians was a very small group of people, who were first absorbed by Babylonians and later completely replaced by Shemite people. By the time the Jews rewrote their history to the version we also find in the old testament (been kicked out of Egypt etc), there have been no more (P)IE people in the middle east. Yes, they stole the culture that was left there in remnants, but by the time Joshua was allegedly born, the (P)IE people havent lived there for more than 2000 years already anymore, 2000 years of twisting, misinterpreting, forging, and even killing the original gods of the (already twisted Babylonian ->) Shemite pantheon and placing the desert demon called YHWE as the "only true god".

    India indeed was founded by IE people, including their religion, and the similarities are obvious and not disputed. India though is not the middle east, and the common source for both the Indian culture/religion and the European culture/religion both lie north of the Black Sea and are at least 5600 years back, most likely longer. The European people came here through the north-route (Siberia etc) from there, while other groups went down to Sumer (small group) and another group went east into India. And since then our cultures and mythologies develop independent from each other. So even if the Sumerians were PIEs, they had their own history, their own culture, and their own fate. While the European and Indian pockets survived and delevoped, the Sumerians were genocided and replaced. For the very few and very superficial similarities (and more with the Celtic culture than the Germanic one), they still have no more value for us, because they are twisted, perverted and corrupted to support Shemite->Semite->Jewish supremacy. And again, the original Sumerian/Babylonian (plus the steps between in ~2000 years) pantheon was killed and the demon YHWE placed as the "only true god".

    Interestingly, christians today worship the son of this demon as their savior and god. This is so wrong as it could possibly get. Christians worship the evil itself, the archenemy of natural order and the gods.
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    I agree with some of your post, but would argue that Indo-Europeans survived as a minority population in Mesopotamia (especially among the ruling class). They didn't just disappear. The Semitic Akkadians who invaded Sumeria did not overthrow them entirely. Sargon the Great, the first King of the Akkadian Empire was of Sumerian extraction, from the royal court of Ur-Zababa (as listed on the Sumerian King List) - he was therefore not racially a Semite. Yet the mass populations (especially the lower classes) of the Akkadians were Semites who spoke Semitic.

    I would argue then that there was a late survival of this Indo-European nobility in the middle-east for example King David is described as red-haired in the Old Testament and there are other descriptions of fair features of Biblical figures as opposed to the typical darker phenotype attributed to the Semites (Jews, Arabs etc).

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