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    Quote Originally Posted by Chlodovech View Post
    Then laws will always be made by someone else than you want to, in practice, laws deciding your fate. There's only so much you can alter within the confines of a legal framework. Good luck finding majorities - what makes a majority so special anyway? And most people are clueless lemmings who bet on the strongest horse. If you want major change you're gonna have to disregard the law at some point. Americans could still be living under British rule,or far likelier, most of the Balkans could still be under Ottoman rule or all of Eastern Europe may still be suffering under communism if people had stuck to reforms. And for what? And why? Life is war, laws merely provide a veneer of civilisation and legality to what is just a naked, Nietzschean power struggle. The strong rule the weak - through laws. Guns write the laws.
    If you want specific radical change, then sure, breaking the law (or a complete overthrow more like) might be the way to go.

    But that's quite another matter, I think. As a basic framework for a stable society, rule of law seems a basic building block.

    As a thought experiment: Go back in time, try to recreate the great empires of the past, but do it without lawmaking. I'm pretty sure it would be impossible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skärmträl View Post
    As a thought experiment: Go back in time, try to recreate the great empires of the past, but do it without lawmaking. I'm pretty sure it would be impossible.
    Sure. You're a Swede though. I'm a Fleming. Has Sweden ever been occupied by a foreign power? Flanders has not tasted freedom since the time of the Franks. Everyone here, even the not so patriotic crowd, sees it as their duty to circumvent the law in some manner - that attitude is a big part of our culture by now. We've been doing the same thing for centuries. We love to scam whoever our current arrogant foreign rulers are as historically Flanders has always been seen as a juicy tax cow by foreign occupiers - and almost everyone seems to be involved in a law suit to obstruct the government at some point in their life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chlodovech View Post
    Sure. You're a Swede though. I'm a Fleming. Has Sweden ever been occupied by a foreign power? Flanders has not tasted freedom since the time of the Franks. Everyone here, even the not so patriotic crowd, sees it as their duty to circumvent the law in some manner - that attitude is a big part of our culture by now. We've been doing the same thing for centuries. We love to scam whoever our current arrogant foreign rulers are as historically Flanders has always been seen as a juicy tax cow by foreign occupiers - and almost everyone seems to be involved in a law suit to obstruct the government at some point in their life.
    Interesting!

    I did not, to be honest, consider such differences.

    Sweden has been occupied, and there have been rebellions within the country, but otherwise Swedish people, law and religion have gone solidly hand in hand since Lutheran times at least.

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    Chlod, are you saying that if Flanders was 100% Flemish and ruled by Flemish people you would still break the laws and try to disrupt that only because a law is not in line with a religion that is not even Flemish?
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    The only laws that apply are the laws of nature.

    Society creates laws for each society and those that live outside of society are Outlaws. Take for example the 1% Biker Clubs in America, these men live outside of the laws of normal American society, however when they grouped together in the 40s and 50s they formed their own societies and thus their own laws.
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    Of course law and order is better than anarchy. But people can't even obey the Ten Commandments, yet they enact millions of man made laws in a futile effort to control every aspect of society.

    Politicians who create laws are similar to the people who are paid to invent catchy names for new consumer products. It makes them feel important.
    Aside from an ever increasing number of mortals who have willfully chosen to worship Satan and his minions, our battle has always been against the powers and principalities operating surreptitiously throughout this twisted world.

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    Laws need to be rooted in natural law to be meaningful and just - they need to be in accordance with man's place and function within nature (the ancient Greeks)/a transcendental order (Christianity).

    Prior to the enlightenment there was little doubt in people's minds as to whether laws should be rooted in morality - yet today the adherents of "positive justice" reign supreme and natural law is seen as medieval. They want to do away with traditional morality/religion and they do that by pressing for secularization of state and public life - in practice, "removing religion from the state" means placing a bakery owner under arrest because he refuses to bake a cake for a gay wedding out of religious convinction. That sort of thing.
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