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    Post Re: Laws Don't Mean Anything

    Quote Originally Posted by Lucifer
    Germany looks pretty damn civilized now, with the gay marriage thing, and I think I read something on BBC about that Armin Meiws guy having his manslaughter charge overturned. What was that for? Cannibalism? How civilized.
    Phunney thing is that all yer beloved "civilized" countries are getting their own Gay Mariage The most ****** up psychos are not from Germany (Fish[********** thug] dahmer , gacy , son of sam , Manson , sodiac freak and 1000more )


    In germany and many other european countries not every incestious redneck or drug dealer can get a gun that easily and thats fact and thats why we dont have that much robbing , killing , raping

    Edit: (Please refrain from breaking rule 4-- vulgarity, obscenity, etc. Thanks!-- Jennifer)
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    Frei wie die Adler fliegen wir über alle Grenzen.
    Mächtig, kräftig, schön, aber leider auch selten.
    Graue Tauben und Lege-Hennen verstehen uns nicht, uns trennen Welten.
    Warten auf den Tag-X, wie lange noch?

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    Clausewitz said that war is a continuation of politics by other means and Lenine said : politics is a continuation of war by other means.
    Vladimir Ilitch Oulianov was right.

    It is quite important to oppose Natural law to Positive law : lex naturalis posits the existence of a law whose content is set by nature and that therefore has validity everywhere and positive law is made by human beings.
    Today, legal positivism rules the game but when a pedagogical example is needed to explain what it means, some lawyers talk about Nuremberg Laws and people often forget that during the Third Reich the law was essentially natural.
    Carl Schmitt, the german jurist and political theorist, differentiate the human rights from the institutional warranties. He also states : “Sovereign is he who decides whether there is a state of emergency.”
    I think that there is a place for Law, as far as there is a place for politics protecting or ruining nations.

    p.s. : this is my first reply on this lovely forum and I hope that my English is not too bad for you!

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    Perhaps, the most profound and meaningful analysis on law you will ever read is from Frederick Bastiat. The Law. you can find it here.
    //www.fee.org/pdf/books/The_Law.pdf
    His view is the one that I feel is the most accurate. Law is not about guns, it is not about legislation, or statutes, it is JUSTICE. Anything that causes injustice is merely a distortion of the law and as such it must rely on force.

    It should be evident that respect for the Law was more evident during the time in the US when government intervened the least. In comparison, Law today supports the state and mostly serves to extract money from the populace.

    There is no way a judge, paid by the state, can offer a fair trial when it is in his interest to convict you. To do so he can render the jury impotent and overrule the verdict, and dismiss the jury. The judge will insist that the jury follow the letter of the law and only delegate facts. This however offers the people no remedy for justice against laws that are unjust.

    "Law is Justice! Not vast volumes of incoherent legislation that criminalize
    the trivial while offering repose to the criminal."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Lord Spoonblade View Post
    "Laws don't mean anything"

    This is true. Laws themselves are nothing without (proposed) consequences for breaking them combined with enforcement of said consquences if you do. Simple enough.

    But you suggest that whoever has the physical means, more so the weapons, get to make the laws and the rules and if we all had guns it would be equal. That's not true at all. Physical power is not the only form of power. The person with the most power is the one willing to pull the trigger. Likewise how those who are most likely to break the laws are those who don't care about the consequences. There are people who have commit crimes knowing that they could go to jail, or that they could get the death sentence, but this didn't stop them. Bigger and more effective weapons for the individual don't make a difference. Who would blow up everyone first? LOL

    Also, offense is not the only issue. What about defense? Political figures don't walk around without security because the average person could walk up and slit their throat if they so chose. Equal means of force does not make anything even. Just like with everything else, there is no equality. We would not all have our "rights".
    There are other kinds of power especially if you get to elect the people running the government. Numbers and organization will get you many things, which is why it's pretty sorry that whites don't have the same type of organization as other minorities. If we had someting as powerful as the NAACP or even AARP or other such groups, we would be listened to. But, since whites don't vote in blocs the way blacks do, we have less power because no one needs to court the white vote.

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    This is so true Dr Solar

    U R so right, Dr Solar, and the "sheeple" need to wake up to this fact:

    Government do not exist for the benefit of the governed. They exist just like corporations: For their own profit and benefit. Citizens and their petty demands are a nuisance! Get in their way and see how quickly U find yourself surrounded by concrete walls! They don't give a damn about "justice" or "truth", they have a resposibility to their immediate financers and backers.

    This applies just as much to "democratic" societies such as the UK or USA. Certainly, anyone who has read the "Homeland Security" laws has lost all hope of seeing their "Constitution" upheld. U can B made to disappear anytime U get in their way or cause them enough discomfort. If U R famous enough, theyr have more delicate ways of removing and dicrediting you: Take one look at Julian Assange or so many others.

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    Most people when left to themselves will interact peacefully with others, unless provoked. I have always felt most laws are ridiculous and written because some people want to feel important. Anarchy is not a bad thing. It prevents stupid religious and governmental scrutiny.

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    “Men of few words require few laws” -King Charilaus of Sparta when asked why the Spartans had hardly any laws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Van Wellenkamp
    Most people when left to themselves will interact peacefully with others, unless provoked. I have always felt most laws are ridiculous and written because some people want to feel important. Anarchy is not a bad thing. It prevents stupid religious and governmental scrutiny.
    I can't agree here. If theft were made legal today, everything would be stolen tomorrow. If murder were made legal today, everyone would be dead tomorrow. What we'd see is the rules of nature reasserting themselves. The strong would take what they will from the weak. The strong will do what they will to the weak. A far greater tyranny than you see in the laws of civilized states will reign in the absence of them. Nasty, brutish and short.

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    What is so fantastic about the weak? The promotion and protection of weakness is a problem in our society. Why does being strong automatically correlate with being bad?

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    Quote Originally Posted by renownedwolf
    What is so fantastic about the weak? The promotion and protection of weakness is a problem in our society. Why does being strong automatically correlate with being bad?
    The weak equals you, me, your mother, my mother, your children, my children etc. If society collapsed tomorrow, the people who deal coke in the hood today would be barging into your house tomorrow, stealing your essentials, pistol whipping you, your brother, your father, or anyone else who tries to stop them, and then they'd rape/capture any female they find. They'd have numerical superiority, mental superiority for the situation [i.e. no scruples], experiential superiority [i.e. these guys never worked at a Wallmart checkout], and practical superiorty [i.e. a large stockpile of weaponry].

    Any decent community that's set up to peacefully farm the land will be constantly raided by what would in civilzation be the incarcerated population, and in the end warlords, who would have been druglords in another time and place, would create new states, feudal in nature, demanding extortionate 'tributes' for his not killing you, along with offerings of your clan's young females.

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