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    Post Guanches of the Canary Islands

    I'm curious to hear people's ideas or speculation about the origins and racial type and sub-type of the Guanches of the Canary Islands.

    To clarify who I'm talking about, here is a brief note about these people:



    "The primitive populations of the Canary Islands were the Guanches, a white race, vigorous, of high stature, fair-haired and blue-eyed, and leading mostly a pastoral life. At the time of their conquest by the Europeans they used weapons and utensils of wood and stone, were clothed in skins of animals, and lived in the numerous natural grottos. Their ornaments were of bone, sea-shells, and baked clay. They were hospitable and deeply attached to their independence. Each island was divided into separate states, ruled over by kings, who were assisted by the chiefs of the noble families and the most esteemed priests or soothsayers. They held their meetings in the open air in places specially intended for this purpose. They were monotheists and made offerings of domestic animals, milk, and fruit to the Supreme Being. At some early date Old World peoples from Africa and Asia reached these islands and founded there permanent colonies, blending with the aboriginal stock. Their invasions are attested by archaeological remains and inscriptions; certain Numidian inscriptions on the rocks of Gran Canaria and Hierro are similar to those discovered in Africa. An Aragonese fleet explored the islands in 1330. Another Castilian coasting expedition, sent forth by merchants of Seville and Biscay, disembarked, in 1385, in Lanzarote and vanquished the aborigines, but did not found any lasting settlement. This was not accomplished until the expedition of Jean de Béthencourt, a French nobleman, who in virtue of a mission confided to him by the King of Castile, Henry III, conquered, from 1402 to 1405, the islands of Lanzarote, Fuerteventura, Gomera, and Hierro. The conquest of Gran Canaria, Palma, and Tenerife was effected during the reign of the Catholic sovereigns, from 1478 to 1495, by Diego Garcia de Herrera, Pedro de Vera, and Alonso Fernandez de Lugo, but not without heroic resistance on the part of the Guanches."
    (Source: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03243a.htm )

    (I used the website in question because it was one of the few condensed descriptions of the Guanches I could find that didn't try to use them as proof of Atlantis...)

    Anyway, does anyone care to share their speculation or views about the origins of these people?

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    Post Re: Guanches of the Canary Islands

    Just another case of Meds defiling and ruining a distinct population forever.

    At the time of the Spanish conquest, the islands contained a varied population of different physical types, stratified in social classes. There was definitely a tall, blond element, which lived by its flocks for the most part, and which seems to have been socially superior; a darker, more Mediterranean element which was more agricultural. Gran Canaria and Teneriffe were the centers of blondism, while of the two outlying islands, Hierro was prevailingly brunet, and Palma partly blond. The coastal islands of Lanzarote and Fuertaventura contained almost exclusively a tall, brunet population. The Guanches were described by the Spaniards as being frequently of giant size, and it is apparent from the difficulties of the Spaniards that they were redoubtable fighters.

    After the Spaniards had conquered the Guanches and converted the survivors, they proceeded to intermarry with these new Christians, who perpetuated their kind in large numbers. On historical grounds there is every reason to believe that the living Canary Islanders are at least as much Guanche in origin as Spanish. - C.S. Coon

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    Post Re: Guanches of the Canary Islands

    There's no doubt the Spaniards treated the Guanches with appalling cruelty, and basically destroyed their culture.

    But, I'm wondering what their origins were before the Spanish 'civilized' the ones they didn't kill. Were they Guanches Celts in origin? Were they mixed with other peoples who settled the islands after the Guanches, but prior to the Spanish conquest, or were the original Guanche settlers divided into a blonder upper stratum and more brunet lower classes (which seems to have been the pattern in ancient Celtic societies)? What about their language - I've heard some linguists think it was related to Berber, though that seems odd, given many of them seem to have been a nordid-looking people in their physical appearance. Their origins do seem rather mysterious, hence my interest in uncovering answers to these questions.

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    Post Re: Guanches of the Canary Islands

    Quote Originally Posted by Telperion
    But, I'm wondering what their origins were before the Spanish 'civilized' the ones they didn't kill. Were they Guanches Celts in origin? Were they mixed with other peoples who settled the islands after the Guanches, but prior to the Spanish conquest, or were the original Guanche settlers divided into a blonder upper stratum and more brunet lower classes (which seems to have been the pattern in ancient Celtic societies)? What about their language - I've heard some linguists think it was related to Berber, though that seems odd, given many of them seem to have been a nordid-looking people in their physical appearance. Their origins do seem rather mysterious, hence my interest in uncovering answers to these questions.

    They are descended from North Africans.

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    Post Re: Guanches of the Canary Islands

    Quote Originally Posted by atlanto-med
    They are descended from North Africans.
    That would seem consistent with what is known about their language. I suppose the follow up question would be, who are the Berbers related to or descended from? I was under the impression their language was Hamitic, so it is curious that they seem to be related to a people (i.e. the Guanches) many of whom apparently were of a Nordid type. Although, I've also read that the Berbers themselves are on average taller and lighter-complexioned than their Arab neighbours. How much is known about the origins of the Berbers, and who they are related to?

    BTW if anyone can point me to a detailed source on this topic, I'll go read it instead of continuing to ask questions about them here. I'm just trying to find out more about these people than I currently know based on the sources available to me.

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    Post Re: Guanches of the Canary Islands

    Quote Originally Posted by Telperion
    That would seem consistent with what is known about their language. I suppose the follow up question would be, who are the Berbers related to or descended from? I was under the impression their language was Hamitic, so it is curious that they seem to be related to a people (i.e. the Guanches) many of whom apparently were of a Nordid type. Although, I've also read that the Berbers themselves are on average taller and lighter-complexioned than their Arab neighbours. How much is known about the origins of the Berbers, and who they are related to?

    Berbers are of West Asian and Mechtoid descent. If you search the Skadi board for Capsian and Mechtoid, you will find more about their racial type than anywhere else on the internet.

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    Post Re: Guanches of the Canary Islands

    Quote Originally Posted by atlanto-med
    Berbers are of West Asian and Mechtoid descent. If you search the Skadi board for Capsian and Mechtoid, you will find more about their racial type than anywhere else on the internet.
    Thanks, I'll search accordingly.

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    Cool Re: Guanches of the Canary Islands

    Berbers, Guanches, Basques, Libians, aegiptians, etrusques (whose roots are western) , cretensians, tartessics they formed all part of the great preindoeuropan or protonordic empire of the Atlantis, in those days at the end of the "ice age" the cold weather, called today nordic, reached over the southern regions of europe like Spain.

    http://http://forums.skadi.net/showt...light=atlantis

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    Post Re: Guanches of the Canary Islands

    Quote Originally Posted by lahun-ok
    Berbers, Guanches, Basques, Libians, aegiptians, etrusques (whose roots are western) , cretensians, tartessics they formed all part of the great preindoeuropan or protonordic empire of the Atlantis, in those days at the end of the "ice age" the cold weather, called today nordic, reached over the southern regions of europe like Spain.

    http://http://forums.skadi.net/showt...light=atlantis
    Indeed, almost all 'aegiptians' (egyptians?) were nordic with just a few
    exceptions!
    Here are some excellent examples of the nordic/sh phenotype :
    (the nordiest i could find, actually they are romans and greeks)


    Ancient Egyptian portraiture
    Roman period
















    http://www.reshafim.org.il/ad/egypt/...ture/roman.htm
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    Post Re: Guanches of the Canary Islands

    I believe they were upper paleolithic survivors most related to the Bell-Beakers(Borreby) but also a special variety of their own.
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