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    Post Meds aren't really racist, only culturalist or theologist

    When Spain conquered S. America it was happy to encourage miscegenation between its settlers and the indigenous people because it had no concept of racial superiority, only cultural and religious superiority. The Catholic church encouraged this because it wanted more souls, and didn't care what colour they were. This theme of cultural, but not racial superiority is in evidence right across S. Europe: the forced conversion of Jews to Christianity rather than their extermination; the absorption of black slaves into Portuguese society. Spanish people might not likes blacks very much, but they don't mind S. Americans too much because at least they speak the same language and have some cultural affiliations with them. On the other hand Northern European countries have a history of racial rather than just cultural intolerance: Houston Stewart Chamberlin; Gobineau; Lanz; Hitler etc. So my argument is: is racism a Northern European thing only?
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    Post Re: Meds aren't really racist, only culturalist or theologist

    Quote Originally Posted by SudVolk
    When Spain conquered S. America it was happy to encourage miscegenation between its settlers and the indigenous people because it had no concept of racial superiority, only cultural and religious superiority. The Catholic church encouraged this because it wanted more souls, and didn't care what colour they were. This theme of cultural, but not racial superiority is in evidence right across S. Europe: the forced conversion of Jews to Christianity rather than their extermination; the absorption of black slaves into Portuguese society. Spanish people might not likes blacks very much, but they don't mind S. Americans too much because at least they speak the same language and have some cultural affiliations with them. On the other hand Northern European countries have a history of racial rather than just cultural intolerance: Houston Stewart Chamberlin; Gobineau; Lanz; Hitler etc. So my argument is: is racism a Northern European thing only?
    The European history about racial preservation is still quite recent if we take a, look upon the entire temporal ark of our civilisaed world.
    Such a feeling (than now has become more a necessity than a simple feeling) showed itself when the danger was real and not just a mere philosophical speculations.
    To my opinion the temporal gap between North and South Europe is due to the fact that ony in the last 50 years the latter has become an immigration target more than an immigration source....
    I think that we are minding the gap little by little..day by day more people in Italy is realizing that wa re reaching the point of non return.

    If racism would be only a Northern European thing there won't be any hope.. actually every race in the wotld shoud develop self respect and self determination as values.

    "E tutti si scandalizzano quando sentono dire: quel tale tipo di mammifero o di uccello ormai è sparito dalla faccia della terra, non lo vedremo più; è una grave perdita. Certo, si tratta di gravissime perdite.
    Ma non sarebbe forse più grave se sparisse una comunità umana?? --Bruno Salvadori

    Seven pictures of northern European males and seven pictures of northern African males were presented randomly via a computer screen to 82 Italian female undergraduates of the University of Padua, Italy.
    Each picture depicted a full frontal face with a neutral facial expression. Participants were asked to classify each picture as either northern Italian or southern Italian.
    On average, the seven pictures depicting northern Europeans were classified as northern Italians 81% of the time. The seven pictures depicting northern Africans were classified as southern Italians 83%
    of the time.



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    Post Re: Meds aren't really racist, only culturalist or theologist

    I'm racist against everyone who is enough different from me. But it is healthy, non-hateful racism. This is inborn and incurable. Sorry.

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    Post Re: Meds aren't really racist, only culturalist or theologist

    Quote Originally Posted by SudVolk
    When Spain conquered S. America it was happy to encourage miscegenation between its settlers and the indigenous people because it had no concept of racial superiority, only cultural and religious superiority. The Catholic church encouraged this because it wanted more souls, and didn't care what colour they were. This theme of cultural, but not racial superiority is in evidence right across S. Europe: the forced conversion of Jews to Christianity rather than their extermination; the absorption of black slaves into Portuguese society. Spanish people might not likes blacks very much, but they don't mind S. Americans too much because at least they speak the same language and have some cultural affiliations with them. On the other hand Northern European countries have a history of racial rather than just cultural intolerance: Houston Stewart Chamberlin; Gobineau; Lanz; Hitler etc. So my argument is: is racism a Northern European thing only?
    Very interesting proposal. Contrast Roman imperialism (assimilationist) to 19th century American Manifest Destiny (genocidal).
    "Whatever is done from love always occurs beyond good and evil." - F. Nietzsche

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    Post Re: Meds aren't really racist, only culturalist or theologist

    Quote Originally Posted by Scoob
    Very interesting proposal. Contrast Roman imperialism (assimilationist) to 19th century American Manifest Destiny (genocidal).
    Roman Imperialism was never 'assimilationist': the Romans never forcefully converted anyone. The process of Romanization was a gradual one through which local provincial elites sought to obtain more political influence. This is a recognized fact among all Roman scholars.

    On the other hand, the policy of European settlers in America was determined almost exclusively by their religious outlook: Protestantism, which assimilated the Jewish idea of 'coversion' and forced assimilation of the 'alien' to the point of justifying outright genocide.

    I completely agree with Julius Evola, as well as with the (now defunct) French New Right on the fact that such genocidal biological racism is a product of Judeo-Protestantism. It is a form of totalitarianism, a desire to destroy what is different, which derives its essence from the genocidal intolerance of the (Semitic) Old Testament (roughly to paraphrase De Benoist).

    As far as most 'Radical Right' thinkers and sympathizers in Europe - including myself - are concerned, the biological racism which characterizes many 'racialist' groups in the States (KKK in primis) is nothing but an extention of Semitic intolerance.
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    Post Re: Meds aren't really racist, only culturalist or theologist

    Quote Originally Posted by SudVolk
    When Spain conquered S. America it was happy to encourage miscegenation between its settlers and the indigenous people because it had no concept of racial superiority, only cultural and religious superiority. The Catholic church encouraged this because it wanted more souls, and didn't care what colour they were. This theme of cultural, but not racial superiority is in evidence right across S. Europe: the forced conversion of Jews to Christianity rather than their extermination; the absorption of black slaves into Portuguese society. Spanish people might not likes blacks very much, but they don't mind S. Americans too much because at least they speak the same language and have some cultural affiliations with them.
    many Catholics priests are color blind, they don't care what race you are as long you are catholic, most meds are not like that, in S. America the priests promoted racial integration with the indians, but one reason why they did this was to create indian vs indian conflicts, Catholic Indians would fight side by side with the Europeans instead of fighting against them, priests used the converted indians as voluntary labor force too. This doesn't mean average meds and Indians/mestizos got along fine, in Brazil there was many Portuguese vs mestizo conflicts, and those conflicts became much worse as the Portuguese population grew.

    In Iberia the converted moors/jews were called mouriscos and suffered a lot of discrimination, there was even some Ethinic cleansing, called limpieza de sangre, going on against them.

    Numbers are difficult to establish with accuracy, but some estimates suggest that between four and eight thousand Jews were burnt alive during the fifteen years Torquemada held the office of Grand Inquisitor, as well as a smaller number of Moriscos, or Moorish converts. Many more are said to have died or spent many years in the prisons and dungeons. It has been suggested that as many as 32,000 people may have been burnt alive, or in effigy, during the 340 years of the Inquisition's existence.

    The Inquisition was an important tool in enforcing the limpieza de sangre ("cleanliness of blood") against descendants of converted Jews or Muslims.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_inquisition

    Quote Originally Posted by SudVolk
    On the other hand Northern European countries have a history of racial rather than just cultural intolerance: Houston Stewart Chamberlin; Gobineau; Lanz; Hitler etc. So my argument is: is racism a Northern European thing only?
    There are many racialists of South European ancestry, the only reason you don't know about them is because they are not famous, they never had their work translated to other languages, and most South American racialists had their work intentionally forgotten over time and are rarely ever mentioned.

    If you can read Portuguese or Spanish check this out:

    President of Argentina, Domingo Faustino Sarmiento, talks against race-mixing with indians and blacks:
    http://www.geocities.com/fusaoracial/SarmientoMFP.htm

    Various quotes said or published by high class white Brazilians against racial integration, and non-white imigration:
    http://www.geocities.com/fusaoracial...antismoMFP.htm

    Sylvio Romero, a member of the Brazilian elite, talks against racial integration:
    http://www.geocities.com/fusaoracial/SylvioMFP.htm

    Raimundo Nina Rodrigues, a Brazilian white supremacist of Portuguese ancestry:
    http://www.geocities.com/fusaoracial...driguesMFP.htm


    "the negro race of Brazil, [...], will always constitute one of the factors of our inferiority as a people." - Raimundo Nina Rodrigues (1862-1906)

    "Brazil is not, and shall not be Haiti" - Sylvio Romero (1851-1914)
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    Post Re: Meds aren't really racist, only culturalist or theologist

    Quote Originally Posted by Necronomicom
    many Catholics priests are color blind, they don't care what race you are as long you are catholic, most meds are not like that, in S. America the priests promoted racial integration with the indians, but one reason why they did this was to create indian vs indian conflicts, Catholic Indians would fight side by side with the Europeans instead of fighting against them, priests used the converted indians as voluntary labor force too. This doesn't mean average meds and Indians/mestizos got along fine, in Brazil there was many Portuguese vs mestizo conflicts, and those conflicts became much worse as the Portuguese population grew.

    In Iberia the converted moors/jews were called mouriscos and suffered a lot of discrimination, there was even some Ethinic cleansing, called limpieza de sangre, going on against them.
    Well but Catholic priests were not always like that.

    When the Spaniards and Portugueses started to colonize South America many priests questioned if the Amerindians had a soul or if they were just a little higher than apes in the evolutive hierarchy.
    Many refused to teach their doctrine to the indigenous.

    "E tutti si scandalizzano quando sentono dire: quel tale tipo di mammifero o di uccello ormai è sparito dalla faccia della terra, non lo vedremo più; è una grave perdita. Certo, si tratta di gravissime perdite.
    Ma non sarebbe forse più grave se sparisse una comunità umana?? --Bruno Salvadori

    Seven pictures of northern European males and seven pictures of northern African males were presented randomly via a computer screen to 82 Italian female undergraduates of the University of Padua, Italy.
    Each picture depicted a full frontal face with a neutral facial expression. Participants were asked to classify each picture as either northern Italian or southern Italian.
    On average, the seven pictures depicting northern Europeans were classified as northern Italians 81% of the time. The seven pictures depicting northern Africans were classified as southern Italians 83%
    of the time.



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    Post Re: Meds aren't really racist, only culturalist or theologist

    Quote Originally Posted by Turificator
    As far as most 'Radical Right' thinkers and sympathizers in Europe - including myself - are concerned, the biological racism which characterizes many 'racialist' groups in the States (KKK in primis) is nothing but an extention of Semitic intolerance.
    But you do encourage racial integrity? Or do you see no problem with miscegenation and multiracial societies?

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    Post Re: Meds aren't really racist, only culturalist or theologist

    Quote Originally Posted by Necronomicom
    Numbers are difficult to establish with accuracy, but some estimates suggest that between four and eight thousand Jews were burnt alive during the fifteen years Torquemada held the office of Grand Inquisitor, as well as a smaller number of Moriscos, or Moorish converts. Many more are said to have died or spent many years in the prisons and dungeons. It has been suggested that as many as 32,000 people may have been burnt alive, or in effigy, during the 340 years of the Inquisition's existence.

    The Inquisition was an important tool in enforcing the limpieza de sangre ("cleanliness of blood") against descendants of converted Jews or Muslims.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_inquisition
    Check out:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torquamada

    where it mentions Torquemada's Jewish ancestry.

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    Post Re: Meds aren't really racist, only culturalist or theologist

    Quote Originally Posted by SudVolk
    Check out:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torquamada

    where it mentions Torquemada's Jewish ancestry.
    "He was born in 1420 in the village of Torquemada (Latin turris cremata, "burnt tower") near the northern Spanish city of Valladolid, and may have had Jewish ancestry"

    it doesn't confirm anything, its just a rumor, many "antis" say Hitler was part jewish, but its not true, they say it for defamation purposes only.

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