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    Haider's deputy reveals gay affair
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...ir-969492.html

    Conservative Austria was in a state of shock today after the male successor to Jörg Haider admitted to having a longstanding “special relationship” with the far right leader who died dramatically in a high speed car crash earlier this month.

    Stefan Petzner – the 27-year-old who recently replaced Haider as leader of the right wing Alliance for the Future of Austria and has often appeared in tears on television since his death - effectively outed himself as the deceased’s gay lover while being interviewed on an Austrian radio breakfast show.

    “I had to go to him. I had to go to him,” Mr Petzner said in his highly emotional interview as he recalled how he rushed to the hospital where the dead body of 52-year-old Haider was lying after his fatal crash in early October.

    Admitting that he felt a “magnetic attraction” for Haider, whom he met five years ago while working as a cosmetics reporter, Mr Petzner insisted: “We had a relationship that went far beyond friendship. Jörg and I were connected by something truly special. He was the man of my life.”

    He insisted that Mr Haider’s widow, Claudia did not object to his relationship: “She loved him as a woman. He loved her as a man. I loved him in a completely different and personal way. She understood that,” Mr Petzner said. However, the young man’s sister Christiane suggested in a newspaper interview that Mrs Haider had not always been so understanding. “Sometimes Claudia was jealous because Stefan would spend more time with her husband than she did.”

    Clearly embarrassed by the revelations, party officials today attempted to limit the political damage and cancelled forthcoming interviews with Mr Petzner. Their attempts to prevent his radio interview being rebroadcast, however, were unsuccessful.

    The revelations came after photographs in the Austrian media showing Mr Haider in a gay bar shortly before his fatal accident. Witnesses who were present at a magazine launch party where the two men were seen together on the night of the crash were quoted today as saying that Mr Haider had left in a hurry after an emotional argument with his deputy.

    The far-right leader crashed his Volkswagen limousine while drunk and driving at more than double the speed limit, as he made his way to his mother’s birthday party in the early hours of the morning. He is reported to have told his chauffeur to go home. More than 25,000 people flocked to his quasi state funeral in Klagenfurt, the capital of the Austrian province of Carinthia where he was governor for more than a decade.

    He died just days after his party had more than doubled its share of the vote in Austria’s general election and speculation swirled that he would once again figure in Austrian national politics. Nearly a decade ago, Mr Haider had been part of the ruling coalition with his Freedom Party, triggering EU sanctions on Austria after he praised Adolf Hitler’s employment policies and described Nazi SS veterans as “decent men.”

    Austrian attitudes to gays in politics contrast sharply with neighbouring Germany where numerous politicians have outed themselves as homosexuals without anyone batting an eyelid. Rumours that Haider was either gay or bi-sexual first surfaced in Austria nearly a decade ago. However the far right leader, who fathered two children with his wife Claudia, refused to discuss them, fearing that they would alienate thousands of his ultra conservative followers.

    Although his party was nicknamed the “Haider’s boy party”, until today conservative Austria had preferred to embrace his public persona as a traditional family man. Mr Petzner’s revelations have shattered that charade, and there was speculation today that after not even a month in the job, he might soon find himself replaced as leader of the Alliance for the Future of Austria.



    Far-right successor Stefan Petzner sacked for revealing Jörg Haider affair
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle4996937.ece



    Outraged by the interviews, the party felt compelled yesterday to dismiss its leader amid reports of his alleged role in Haider’s tragic death. Local papers said that, on the night of his accident, Haider and Mr Petzner had a row at a magazine launch party. Haider left in a hurry and drove to a gay club in Klagenfurt, his home town, where he drank vodka with male escorts. The reports said that he was hardly able to walk to his car.

    The new leader of the Alliance, Josef Buchner, 43, a hotel owner and a divorced father of two, is seen as a more conservative choice. Mr Petzner will serve as his deputy.

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    Heh - I still don't so where a "special relationship" automatically equates to being gay. I have often said that a devoted genuine male friendship is something that women could never understand. It seems that the press don't understand it either, or are trying not to understand it.

    Two men often share a connection which goes beyond the mundane, and even though they make annoy the Hel out of each other, they might still just revel in each other's presence, because they can be the two flip sides of a coin.

    The behaviour would tend to be deeper rooted: To each Alpha-male belongs a corresponding Beta-male that acts as his "right hand". When the Alpha-male dies, the Beta-male leaves the pack because the two are connected.

    There's nothing gay about that, just that most people don't have the balls to admit that they have friend with whom they share everything, and whose friendship is virtually unconditional. A friend is more important to them than their partner, a friend with whom you do not fight if competition arises, ever.

    For Petzner (the beta-male, the deputy), that friend may have been Haider (the alpha-male, the leader) and vice-versa. Therefore, I have no cause to believe that there were any sexual acts involved in their committed friendship unless proven otherwise.

    It cannot be ruled out that for Petzner this included a sense of homo-eroticism, much like the exact story of how the term Platonic love was coined (similar position between Plato and Sokrates, really) ... but I have no reason to believe so unless formally proven.
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    Hah, I was sure this would be posted here and especially by you!

    What Sigurd said. Funny, the article I saw about it before I came here writes this:

    'I had to go to him. I had to go to him,' Petzner said in his highly emotional interview as he recalled how he rushed to the hospital where the dead body of 52-year-old Haider was lying after his fatal crash in early October.
    Haider was 58, not 52, idiots. They don't do their homework. If they don't get his age right, why would they get other things right?

    Check out the title too:
    Far-right Austrian leader Joerg Haider was my gay lover, reveals his successor!
    http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/news/w...successor.html

    They misquote and misinterpret what his successor said, cause he never included the words gay or lover.

    It's just scandalous first-page news, for the money and audience, they look for any statements they could interpret to what they like and the paranoia from the party idiots doesn't aid.

    Leave his memory alone.

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    Haider was a nationalist and he wasn't a tiny one without influence. You saw which funeral they offered him? Like a state funeral almost. Stefan Petzner never said anything about this before his death. Hmmmm... makes you think. It's easy to throw accusations of homosexuality at a dead man who can't defend himself. Is it a coincidence that it comes after some people made their suspicions about his accident known? The anti-nationalists don't want him to be turned into a martyr or a positive icon, so they try to dirty his reputation. What better way to do it than saying he's gay? Many nationalists don't accept gays, so they want to create a psychological repulse and a rejection of Haider by nationalists. Look at this article what they say:

    In a symbolic blow to neo-nazis worldwide, the male successor to Austria’s far right Alliance for the Future of Austria party has ‘outed’ himself as the gay lover of the party’s former leader Jorg Haider (52), who died in a high speed car crash a month ago.
    http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/private...oy-party-36838

    That's what it is to them, a blow to nationalists.

    To me it doesn't make a difference if he was gay because I think gays can do much for nationalism too, but I don't buy this. Since he had a wife and daughters he was at best bisexual if he and Petzner had anything going, not gay.

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    Teenager makes Austrian far right politician claim
    "I drank with Jorg Haider in gay bar before car crash!"

    http://www.bild.de/BILD/news/bild-en...car-crash.html

    An 18-year-old man has claimed he was drinking with Jorg Haider in a gay bar just hours before the Austrian far right politician died in a car crash.

    Daniel N. said that he chatted with Haider, Governer of Corinthia and leader of the Alliance for the Future of Austria (AFA) party, in the Stadkrämer bar on the night of the high-speed crash that claimed his life - after which it has been reported that the politician was well over the legal drink driving limit. BILD tracked down the young man in the 'Absolut-bar', another gay venue in Klagenfurt.

    Daniel recalled: “Haider was talking to a man at the bar in Stadtkrämer whom I didn’t know. They were drinking Vodka and Averna [a type of Amaro liqueur].” Then Haider allegedly turned his attention to Daniel N. “He immediately asked me how I was and invited me to share a drink with him. I ordered a vodka, but turned down a further drink because I had already had enough. Then I left,” Daniel added.

    Haider remained in Städtkrämer and supposedly finished off a bottle of vodka with an unknown man.

    These rumours were not mentioned at Haider's funeral service, which took place on Saturday in Klagenfurt. Austria’s chancellor Alfred Gusenbauer used conciliatory words to describe his political opponent, stating that Haider earned “respect and recognition across the borders of politics”.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volksdeutscher View Post
    These rumours were not mentioned at Haider's funeral service, which took place on Saturday in Klagenfurt. Austria’s chancellor Alfred Gusenbauer used conciliatory words to describe his political opponent, stating that Haider earned “respect and recognition across the borders of politics”.
    Why would they mention rumours at his funeral service? It's not a gossip gathering, it's a funeral. And by the way since you're quoting Bild, there's another article there:

    As yet there has been no proof that Haider, who was governor of Carinthia, was bisexual. But the Austrian internet newspaper ‘Scoop.at’ speculates: 'Did the end of a relationship with Stefan Petzner cost Haider his life?'
    http://www.bild.de/BILD/news/bild-en...-bisexual.html

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    Reading this story and other ones, this Petzner guy does seem gay and to have some kind of attraction for Haider, but that doesn't mean Haider was gay. It's common for female assistants to admire male superiors and imagine a close relationship as something more than it is, I wouldn't doubt that it is the same for gay men. Like others said Petzner doesn't actually make any claims of sexual or romantic involvement with Haider. Unless I see something like "I met Haider 10 times for gay sex and here's the hotel receipts to prove it" I'm not buying these 'Haider was gay' claims. Regarding the last article, we already knew he had been at a 'gay bar', but we already knew that, that Haider frequented the 'nightlife' scene.
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    I´m getting sick and angry about all this discussions!

    The truth is, that we lost an important man and leader who was connected to the hearts and thoughts of the people. He stood up against the left-wing massmedia, the controlled government and spoke out what the "little man on the street" was thinking.

    For me Dr. Jörg Haider was one of the most important politicians of Austria!

    See You in Walhalla Jörgele!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deary View Post
    Straight men, especially, don't tend to be so open about what affection they share for their best friend and would go through great lengths to never be seen in a gay bar. I'm sorry, but it does seem rather suspicious.

    But a lot of men don't share such hang-ups. I personally find such phrases as "I can appreciate male beauty -- but you've got to believe me I'm really really really not gay!!!" to be quite lame. The way many men take great measures to temper any positive attitudes to fellow males with a "not gay" disclaimer is really irritating to me.

    I've talked about men in such a manner that people who didn't know me might assume I was gay, because I simply don't care what assumptions are made about me. The point being, not all straight men care if people mistake them as gay. Perhaps Petzner is one such man. Therefore, the 'ambiguous' language he may have used in no way necessarily equates to a confession of homosexuality.

    Even if he was gay, nowhere in the article is there any evidence that Haider reciprocated his homosexual affections.
    Last edited by Hamar Fox; Thursday, October 23rd, 2008 at 10:40 PM.

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