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    Marxist Revival Aided by Economic Crisis

    Karl Marx is back in fashion, says one German publisher, who attributes his new popularity to the economic crisis.

    Publisher Karl-Dietz said it sold 1,500 copies of Das Kapital this year - up from the 200 it usually sells annually.

    Written in 1867, sales of the tome rarely hit double digits but have been on the rise since 2005.

    Marxist economic philosophy - and in particular its Russian Leninist version - fell out of favour with the collapse of the Soviet Union in the late 1980s.

    "It's definitely in vogue right now," said the publisher's director Joern Schuetrumpf.

    "The financial crisis brought us a huge bump."

    He suggested that it was younger Germans who were buying the book unhappy with the direction their elders had led the country.

    "There's a younger generation of academics tackling hard questions and looking to Marx for answers," Mr Schuetrumpf said.

    But he doubted their perseverance: "I doubt they will read it all the way to the end, because it's really arduous."

    Other publishers also print Das Kapital, and German media have reported that bookstores nationwide have seen a 300% increase in sales of the book in recent months.
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    What i've noticed is during an economic crisis the right wing gains popularity but the far left gains a hell of a lot more.

    the 1970s was a prime example of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pino View Post
    What i've noticed is during an economic crisis the right wing gains popularity but the far left gains a hell of a lot more.

    the 1970s was a prime example of that.
    Not any more. I think that the situation has changed.

    If the Marxists had been anti-immigration they might have got somewhere.

    When was the last time you met a real Marxist anyway?

    Most lefties I now meet are middle-class people (mostly women) aged 30-65, the only people left who still think that it is somehow novel and exciting to be 'open minded' about the brown people. I was discussing this with Blood_Axis just before I left Athens. Below the age of about 33 the faux-egalitarianism slowly begins to fizzle out as the job market has become increasingly aggressive in recent years.

    The strange phenomena of the young male leftie has now warped into an self-hating 'emo'-ish person, who has typically attended a second rate university and is probably from a middle-class Labour family. His degree, while not a mickey mouse degree, will most probably be a lower-end humanities subject. Girls are much less interested in leftist politics now.

    Immigration has made the utterly insane the sole proprietors of leftist politics. Screaming, belly-aching immigrants, the over-30s, anti-English bigots and cynical few for whom being a professional leftist is a middle-class career choice with prospects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fortis_in_Arduis View Post
    Not any more. I think that the situation has changed.

    If the Marxists had been anti-immigration they might have got somewhere.

    When was the last time you met a real Marxist anyway?

    Most lefties I now meet are middle-class people (mostly women) aged 30-65, the only people left who still think that it is somehow novel and exciting to be 'open minded' about the brown people. I was discussing this with Blood_Axis just before I left Athens. Below the age of about 33 the faux-egalitarianism slowly begins to fizzle out as the job market has become increasingly aggressive in recent years.

    The strange phenomena of the young male leftie has now warped into an self-hating 'emo'-ish person, who has typically attended a second rate university and is probably from a middle-class Labour family. His degree, while not a mickey mouse degree, will most probably be a lower-end humanities subject. Girls are much less interested in leftist politics now.

    Immigration has made the utterly insane the sole proprietors of leftist politics. Screaming, belly-aching immigrants, the over-30s, anti-English bigots. Absolute morons!
    I seen about 500 Marxists in Leeds City Centre this Saturday actually and without into detail we had a bit of a confrontation with them.

    These where 90% ALL young people, mainly student types I would say and not a haircut between them.

    Although they do not talk about Karl Marx much but rarther Che Guevara I would still label them as Marxists in principle.

    I agree they are mainly middle class people who are seeing themselfs as rebelling against the system which they will grow out of one day and join the labour party (dont all Labour party members go through the communist phase?) but there is still very much more of them than us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pino View Post
    I seen about 500 Marxists in Leeds City Centre this Saturday actually and without into detail we had a bit of a confrontation with them.
    Nice one.

    These where 90% ALL young people, mainly student types I would say and not a haircut between them.
    Hitting the job market soon, unless they manage an MA/PhD.

    Although they do not talk about Karl Marx much but rarther Che Guevara I would still label them as Marxists in principle.
    Absolutely.

    I agree they are mainly middle class people who are seeing themselfs as rebelling against the system which they will grow out of one day and join the labour party (dont all Labour party members go through the communist phase?) but there is still very much more of them than us.
    Two factors here. People give tacit support to our cause, which makes us seem small in number when in fact we have a lot of support.

    Also, the young Marxists you meet are mental cases. They are not functioning as individuals either. They are nothing; just emos and chippy dullards.

    In view of this, can they be considered to be more than us? They are considerably less and can never be the political zeitgeist ever again.

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    The left is finished in the UK at least in its present form. The credit crunch won't signal a revival in leftist fortunes to any significant degree. They're just too disorganised and up their own a***s. Today's left are more left-liberal with a bit of revolutionary chic thrown in - They are not the great class-fighters of the 60s & 70s. Not real Marxists, really.

    I was a young leftist type. The politics was shallow, ABC, sixth-form stuff. Most of them will grow out of it

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    An interesting development I have noticed in Sweden is the new generation of anti-capitalist nationalists discovering Marx, and using him for their own ends. It is not very common, but just some years ago it didn't exist at all.

    Wht might be added is that even though Marx' description of economics as political economy, and his analysis of the distribution of surplus value, are still very useful, these theories weren't his to begin with. We find them in David Ricardo earlier, and in a book that offers much easier access than Kapital.

    But when it comes to crises like the current, we see that Marx was right. The world is not a cosy place where we all get richer and richer through liberalism, but a harsh, conflict-ridden place where their gain is often our loss (regardless of whether "we" equals workers, the infirm, ethnical swedes, or something wholly different).

    In many other questions Marx was of course wrong (like his utopian view of the future, and his emphasis on the material basis for historical civilizations), but in describing global capitalism he was pretty excellent.

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