View Poll Results: When does an ethnicity/ancestry become insignificant?

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  • It becomes insignificant at 1/4th ancestry or less

    8 9.20%
  • It becomes insignificant at 1/8th ancestry or less

    23 26.44%
  • It becomes insignificant at 1/16th ancestry or less

    13 14.94%
  • It becomes insignificant at 1/32nd ancestry or less

    14 16.09%
  • No percentage every becomes insignificant

    16 18.39%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erich View Post
    Schlupfilder are common in Germans and other Northerners. It's likely an adaptation to Northern climate.

    Oliver Kahn



    Great example. However somebody once told me that Kahn was 1/8th or maybe even 1/4th Latvian. I have no idea if it's true. A German I came across on Youtube, who posted a lot of German football videos, told me that he heard it mentioned awhile back when the Mannschaft were playing in Skonto. I know there are a lot of steps between Kahn and Ballack having similar eyes and Kahn being partially Latvian to conclude that Ballack has foreign ancestry.

    Whichever way you look at it, the only thing that can really qualify an indigenous German as having "foreign" ancestry (seeing that Germany is a melting pot of subraces) would be if he deviates from the norm. Going by the Germans I have seen in my life, Stielike, G. Müller, and Ballack all deviate from the norm. I'm not alone in my thinking about Ballack. I've heard his unGerman appearance mentioned here before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimm View Post
    I couldn't find better pictures. It is mostly the pigmentation in the case of the first two, but it's also something I can't put my finger on. People disagreed with me for years when I told them that Felix Magath didn't look German. Then in 2000 he tells the world that his father was a Puerto Rican US Serviceman.
    I'd never heard of this guy until your post, but I googled him and found some photos.



    How would anyone ever think this guy was full German? I have a hard time believing any Germans would tell you he's full German. This is not the case of finding someone who's seemingly German in name and phenotype while exhibiting some odd coloration or nasal bridge, this guy has obvious non-Europid features.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mischak View Post
    I'd never heard of this guy until your post, but I googled him and found some photos.



    How would anyone ever think this guy was full German? I have a hard time believing any Germans would tell you he's full German. This is not the case of finding someone who's seemingly German in name and phenotype while exhibiting some odd coloration or nasal bridge, this guy has obvious non-Europid features.
    I can't surf the web forever to find clear pictures of Stielike, G. Müller, and Michael Ballack. But I defy you to find clear pictures of any of them (make sure it's before Stielike and Müller went gray) and tell me that they look full German. The type of people that tell me that those three are full German are the same type of people who told me that Magath was full German.

    Check out Hansi Müller below as well. I finally found out he had an Italian mother, but for years whenever I asked Germans what accounted for his strange appearance they just shrugged their shoulders. When I'd say doesn't he look foreign to you, they'd say no or that they'd never really thought about it. Maybe it was just German sensitivity to not wanting to be labelled racist, but none of them ever seemed to doubt the ethnicity of Magath or H. Müller, just as most now won't doubt the other three.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimm View Post
    Maybe it was just German sensitivity to not wanting to be labelled racist, but none of them ever seemed to doubt the ethnicity of Magath or H. Müller, just as most now won't don't the other three.
    Perhaps you've answered your own question.

    Although I'll admit the "oddness" of the 3 you posted first don't really strike me as anything that odd. At least, especially not in comparison to the other two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneEnglishNorman View Post
    In your view, is a person born in Sweden, with 18th Century Walloon ancestry, Swedish.
    No.
    Quote Originally Posted by Todesengel View Post
    Are you aware that countries like Germany, England, Iceland and more are not "pure"? So it means many of their inhabitants are not Germanic, unless all their ancestors from 1000s of years ago are Germanic? Just who is Germanic then?
    Only people whose ancestry is from those people that became Germanics (whenever it was that Germanics came into existence) are Germanic.
    Quote Originally Posted by Todesengel View Post
    I disagree. Disregarding distant ancestry should be encouraged, because it contributes to diluting that heritage and creating specimens closer to "purity". 1/4 becomes 1/8, 1/8 becomes 1/16, 1/16 becomes 1/32 and so forth. It is ricidulous to think that having 1/32 German ancestry makes one an ethnic German. It does not.
    Disregarding distant ancestry only creates further miscegenation. As a result noone is brought "closer to purity."

    By encouraging a Germanic to mix, you tell him to "take one for the team" and throw away his heritage. What justice is there in that? What sense is there in that?
    Quote Originally Posted by mischak View Post
    That's your opinion. Obviously the majority of people, including myself, are going to disagree. Considering most English people are going to have Celtic (possibly recent or distant) ancestors somewhere in their bloodline, are you going to tell many of the English members here who identify with Germanic and not Celto-Germanic, that they're deluded as well?
    I will tell you now that anyone who believes they are something they are not is deluded.
    Quote Originally Posted by mischak View Post
    Why are you on a Germanic preservation then? How can you preserve something you're not a part of? Maybe you should just join a multiculturalism forum and preserve that.
    What a ridiculous argument.

    I enjoy national parks, but I am not a national park. I suppose I must actively promote their destruction.

    I promote Germanic preservation, as I promote Celtic preservation, as I promote Slavic preservation, as I promote Jewish preservation, as I promote Japanese preservation, as I promote Bantu preservation, as I promote all ethnic preservation. I may be a member of no ethnicity, but I will not support miscegenation in any way, shape, or form.
    Quote Originally Posted by mischak View Post
    Because it becomes insignificant at a point. Genetically, I would say around 1/32-1/64. Culturally? Even less so. Probably around 1/4th. Like I said, ethnicity is more than just blood.
    If you raised the son of Chinese parents in Sweden for a lifetime, he would never be a Swede. There can be no ethnicity without shared ancestry.






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    Whew, so that 1/32nd of me that's part mexican or african (I can't recall which one) I can throw that out the window? Thank god. I've been carrying that around in my DNA for so long.

    I don't think any amount is insignificant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mischak View Post
    Perhaps you've answered your own question..
    Maybe, but I expect the Germans here, at a Germanic preservation forum, not to have such reservations.
    Quote Originally Posted by mischak View Post
    Although I'll admit the "oddness" of the 3 you posted first don't really strike me as anything that odd. At least, especially not in comparison to the other two.
    Better pics. Might not change your opinion, but do a better job of capturing the uniqueness I see in the subjects. Sorry that two are attachments; they were the best I could find and I don't know how to attach them differently.
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    I supposedly have a walloon ancestor on my paternal grandmother's father's side of the family, most probably in his paternal line. I have gone back some 7generations further back from him in his paternal ancestry, without finding any trace of a walloon ancestor, yet he himself had a decidedly dark look to him and a distinct keltic nordic phenotype (that my grandmother inherited) which makes him look foreign, perhaps walloon. Some admixture caused that phenotype but in which generational step I cannot tell, but it proves that ancestry can have an impact on a person even if it's from way back. So I couldn't say at which point a certain ancestry becomes insignificant, as that would depend on what you mean by insignificant as well. Insignificant enough to ignore? To shun? To pretend isn't there? To take credit for? To feel proud about? To identify with?

    I personally want to know as much as possible about my own ancestry, know who my ancestors were, not just a few generations ago but 10 and upwards, and what sort of lives they lived.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernBoy View Post
    I will tell you now that anyone who believes they are something they are not is deluded. What a ridiculous argument.
    Well, you sure to seem to enjoy hanging out with a bunch of deluded people then.

    If you raised the son of Chinese parents in Sweden for a lifetime, he would never be a Swede. There can be no ethnicity without shared ancestry.
    No where did I ever say ancestry/blood line isn't important. Your example isn't even comparable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mischak View Post
    Well, you sure to seem to enjoy hanging out with a bunch of deluded people then.
    You know I love Skadi.
    Quote Originally Posted by mischak View Post
    No where did I ever say ancestry/blood line isn't important. Your example isn't even comparable.
    Ethnicity is only "more than just blood" as a house is more than just a foundation. A house can not exist without a foundation and an ethnicity can not exist without blood.






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