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  • It becomes insignificant at 1/4th ancestry or less

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  • It becomes insignificant at 1/16th ancestry or less

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  • It becomes insignificant at 1/32nd ancestry or less

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todesengel View Post
    There are Italians, Finns and Russians who don't look Europid, but you can't make a blanket statement about the whole populations.
    How can you post these bad pictures that are not very detailed? It proves nothing. These people I guess to you are normal or appear that way to your eyes?

    Svetlana Tsys’s look that you posted on the other hand.


    Yes towards the East Russia is Asiatic and there are many Russians who look Mongoloid. However that's not true for all. The Germans didn't mix with these Eastern Russian tribes with slanty eyes because it would be obvious in their phenotypes. Svetlana Tsys was actually elected Miss Germany and she doesn't look foreign to Germany racially speaking. Osteuropid is an Europid and even German racial type. I'm against mixing with Slavs and other non-Germanics too, mind you plus I don't think we should "mate with" people with non-Europid phenotypes either no matter their nationality. I explained about it in that assimilation thread.
    Yes, Osteuropid types exist in Germany which Svetlana Tsys looks to have. I do not consider that a German phenotype that is typical.

    It's not a lose word, but if you'd rather not give a definition, then why are you arguing in the first place? To argue you need to have an argument, which you're lacking now.
    You’re the one that asked me for a definition. What has this got to do with anything with lacking an argument? This logic baffles me unless this is your way of trying to make my posts appear irrelevant.

    I was asking if you know any examples of 100 % unmixed people. You and SouthernBoy are preaching for a purity that only exists in your minds. And in fairy tales.
    I am not preaching anything if that seems like it to you. I do not like the idea of others admitting it’s OK to mingle with those of foreign admixture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erich View Post
    I do not like the idea of others admitting it’s OK to mingle with those of foreign admixture.
    And this is the crux of the question. Very few people, if any at all, have zero foreign admixture. I suppose there is the rare villager whose ancestors were all Upper Paleolithic peoples and every single ancestor came from the same stock, but this would be an extraordinary case. Most Germanics will have at least a slight amount of foreign admixture if one looks back far enough. The problem is that most people are either unable or unwilling to do the work and carry their genealogy back to the Middle Ages. It's quite easy to proclaim a 'one drop' perspective if one is only counting the last dozen generations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erich View Post
    How can you post these bad pictures that are not very detailed? It proves nothing. These people I guess to you are normal or appear that way to your eyes?
    Yes, they appear normal to me, i.e. they are European Europids. You can google more pictures of them if you need to see other angles.

    Svetlana Tsys’s look that you posted on the other hand.


    Yes, Osteuropid types exist in Germany which Svetlana Tsys looks to have. I do not consider that a German phenotype that is typical.
    It isn't "typical" but it is German. Mediterranid phenotypes are in Germany too, as as Dinarids, although they are not typical.
    My phenotype, black hair, very pale skin and blue eyes, the Atlantid phenotype isn't typical in Germany either. Are you going to tell me now that I am not German? I have my ancestry traced for hundreds of years, and there is not a non-German in sight.

    You’re the one that asked me for a definition. What has this got to do with anything with lacking an argument? This logic baffles me unless this is your way of trying to make my posts appear irrelevant.
    I asked you because you keep going about "mixed" people, people whose small ancestry I consider insignificant. You argue it's not so. So you must prove it. Who and what is Germanic then? How much percentage of non-Germanic mixture is allowed for someone to be considered Germanic? 0 %? 1 %? 5 %? Or what?

    I am not preaching anything if that seems like it to you. I do not like the idea of others admitting it’s OK to mingle with those of foreign admixture.
    One last time: who doesn't have foreign admixture? What percentage of non-German ancestry must a German have in order to be considered "mixed"? Is a German with a Slavic or Italic ancestor from 1000 years ago "mixed"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychonaut View Post
    And this is the crux of the question. Very few people, if any at all, have zero foreign admixture. I suppose there is the rare villager whose ancestors were all Upper Paleolithic peoples and every single ancestor came from the same stock, but this would be an extraordinary case. Most Germanics will have at least a slight amount of foreign admixture if one looks back far enough. The problem is that most people are either unable or unwilling to do the work and carry their genealogy back to the Middle Ages. It's quite easy to proclaim a 'one drop' perspective if one is only counting the last dozen generations.
    You don't even have to go back the middle ages, the boundaries in central Europe were constantly shifting, and did not fully coalesce into nation-states until the 20th century. Even in the British Isles and southern Europe there were constant invasions going on up until the middle ages.

    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie View Post
    I can trace my family-line many centuries back, and the only "Non German"-blood in my line is from a Swedish male (possibly a soldier) who begot a child with one of my great-great-great.....-mothers during Thirty Years' War.

    So for those who take it very accurately I´m 1/256(?) Swedish or something like that. *g*
    And that's just the one we know about. Not you specifically, but with all the wars in Europe, surely there were many children resulting from such couplings, the fathers of many of them even being unknown or concealed. The children resulting from purposeful policies of the 3rd reich are the most famous example, but surely many children resulted from such.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loyalist View Post
    1/8 certainly has the potential to be visible, and sometimes it is, sometime it isn't. One's phenotype is purely the luck of the draw, and classification only works on a case-by-case basis. Even in a specific family, it's not uncommon to have a Nordid child, while a later sibling is an Alpinid, etc.
    Classifications can be troublesome. Nothing is concrete. It only gives you an idea.

    I would disagree with that; there doesn't seem to be a great deal of distinction between Keltic-Nordids, Bruenns, and Alpinids who hail from both the same nation and ethnic groups. That merely has to do with physical appearance. Differences in mentality and physical abilities are more on an ethnic and meta-ethnic level (Latins are characterized as being over-emotional, Celts for temper and a love of freedom, etc.).
    There is no such thing as a 100% pure Bruenn or Keltic-Nordid. It's only more and less of something. Of course, you could be seeing overlaps.

    You believe that they're not different? I sure do not believe it.



    The system of racial classification on Skadi does include Nordid Sicilians. Nordids can be found in any ethnic group, as can Alpinids, Dinarids, Atlantids, etc. We're not speaking in terms of the regional or ethnic sense of what constitutes a Nordic, but rather a category of phenotype.
    I said before some types can look like other types but not really be that. I'm very skeptical of a Nordid Sicilian.

    Quote Originally Posted by Psychonaut View Post
    And this is the crux of the question. Very few people, if any at all, have zero foreign admixture. I suppose there is the rare villager whose ancestors were all Upper Paleolithic peoples and every single ancestor came from the same stock, but this would be an extraordinary case. Most Germanics will have at least a slight amount of foreign admixture if one looks back far enough. The problem is that most people are either unable or unwilling to do the work and carry their genealogy back to the Middle Ages. It's quite easy to proclaim a 'one drop' perspective if one is only counting the last dozen generations.
    Very few people do. The point I’m making is that willingly to do it shouldn’t be done.

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    I'd have to say culturally it depends on what it means to the individual herself. Genetically I think it may mean more than some members feel. These are three German footballers, who I have researched. I have looked for any references to any foreign backgrounds, and so far I haven't found any. Therefore these Germans exhibit physical traits from "foreign" influences that very well may go as far back as a great grandparent or further. We each have 256 great-great-great-great-great-great grandparents. If four of them were foreign and come from different branches of the family tree, could they finally culminate in the production of a more or less genetically foreign individual? I don't know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Todesengel View Post
    It isn't "typical" but it is German. Mediterranid phenotypes are in Germany too, as as Dinarids, although they are not typical.
    My phenotype, black hair, very pale skin and blue eyes, the Atlantid phenotype isn't typical in Germany either. Are you going to tell me now that I am not German? I have my ancestry traced for hundreds of years, and there is not a non-German in sight.
    Many Germans have Mediterranid and Dinarid influence. I consider it typical. There's nothing non-German about it. That's what they are. I think some try to down play it. The main base is Dalofaelid/Borreby I would say.

    I asked you because you keep going about "mixed" people, people whose small ancestry I consider insignificant. You argue it's not so. So you must prove it. Who and what is Germanic then? How much percentage of non-Germanic mixture is allowed for someone to be considered Germanic? 0 %? 1 %? 5 %? Or what?
    Those who have assimilated in the wider sense, yes. Some are more. Some are less in my opinion. Some things shouldn't be disregarded for the sake of it.

    One last time: who doesn't have foreign admixture? What percentage of non-German ancestry must a German have in order to be considered "mixed"? Is a German with a Slavic or Italic ancestor from 1000 years ago "mixed"?
    That's 50 generations at the most or 1/(2^50). That is insignificant. Today is different than the past. There's too much degeneration at present and alteration to the original Europid type. This should be preserved. Populations are changing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grimm View Post
    I'd have to say culturally it depends on what it means to the individual herself. Genetically I think it may mean more than some members feel. These are three German footballers, who I have researched. I have looked for any references to any foreign backgrounds, and so far I haven't found any. Therefore these Germans exhibit physical traits from "foreign" influences that very well may go as far back as a great grandparent or further. We each have 256 great-great-great-great-great-great grandparents. If four of them were foreign and come from different branches of the family tree, could they finally culminate in the production of a more or less genetically foreign individual? I don't know.
    What looks foreign to you other than pigmentation? From those pictures very small and hard to see they could fit in Germany. Michael Ballack looks Dalofaelid with maybe some other influence?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erich View Post
    What looks foreign to you other than pigmentation? From those pictures very small and hard to see they could fit in Germany. Michael Ballack looks Dalofaelid with maybe some other influence?
    I couldn't find better pictures. It is mostly the pigmentation in the case of the first two, but it's also something I can't put my finger on. People disagreed with me for years when I told them that Felix Magath didn't look German. Then in 2000 he tells the world that his father was a Puerto Rican US Serviceman. So I'm still curious if there's not more to know about Müller and Stielike.

    With Ballack it also is the eye area. I don't know if it's simple schlupflider (which isn't that rare among Germans) or if it is more of a foreign look. Can any Germans tell me if Ballack's eyes would fall into the schlupflider category or would you classify it as something else? And if it is schlupflider, is schlupflider just a genetic mutation or variation or was that phenomenon brought into the mix by a particular group of Germany's ancestors?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimm View Post
    With Ballack it also is the eye area. I don't know if it's simple schlupflider (which isn't that rare among Germans) or if it is more of a foreign look. Can any Germans tell me if Ballack's eyes would fall into the schlupflider category or would you classify it as something else? And if it is schlupflider, is schlupflider just a genetic mutation or variation or was that phenomenon brought into the mix by a particular group of Germany's ancestors?
    Schlupfilder are common in Germans and other Northerners. It's likely an adaptation to Northern climate.

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    I've seen a lot of Italians and if a child of mine married one I would consider it miscegnation.

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