View Poll Results: Do you support the legalization of same sex marriages?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loddfafner View Post
    White nationalism may harm an individual by exposing him to various social sanctions, assaults by antifa, etc. As with homosexuality, the problems are due to social context, not to the individual's condition.
    That's a consequence of being the third factor not the second of individual inherent harm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. Lyfing View Post
    Homosexual relationships hurt every race.
    How?

    No, they cannot reproduce together, but as partners they can find a women for one of them to impregnate to produce their child to raise. A child to be raised in a gay relationship, with 2 fathers. That child will be corrupted and so the cycle continues.
    Who says the child will be raised in a gay relationship? Usually, a child is brought into the world by its mother, not by its father. If it is an illegitimate child, it also goes to the mother. Your point is, again?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rozenstorm View Post
    That's a consequence of being the third factor not the second of individual inherent harm.
    Could you give examples of individual problems due to the disorder which constitute inherent harm? Not being able to have children was the only thing you mentioned so far. Not being able to have children is also a consequence of a third factor, i.e. the decision of the homosexual to engage in a relationship with another homosexual. People who are homosexual are able to have children biologically, they just can't have them with a partner of the same sex. Those who remain in the closet or marry a person of the opposite sex can still have children biologically speaking, but their homosexual orientation (i.e. atraction to the opposite sex) remains still. Last, judging by your definition, are people who are unable to have children biologically mentally ill?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todesengel View Post
    Children can't consent. [..] It doesn't know the difference between right and wrong.
    What makes you think such enlightenment automatically follows with years passing?
    I dare to say there are a lot of "adults" who still can't tell the difference, they are just better conditioned to follow rules, the crux of this discussion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Viking King View Post
    An mental illness has to have some kind of direct detrimental impact on the sufferer, or people around the sufferer. As far I'm concerned homosexuality doesn't have that same kind of impact.
    Quote Originally Posted by Todesengel View Post
    It [same sex marriage] doesn't hurt my race as miscegenation does.
    Indeed, it hurts it in another way.
    http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?p=860862
    "Nothing is more disgusting than the majority: because it consists of a few powerful predecessors, of rogues who adapt themselves, of weak who assimilate themselves, and the masses who imitate without knowing at all what they want." (Johann Wolfgang Goethe)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todesengel View Post
    How?
    The more gays there are the less marriages/children there are between a man/women. And, that to me is what suggests a healthy society.

    Who says the child will be raised in a gay relationship? Usually, a child is brought into the world by its mother, not by its father. If it is an illegitimate child, it also goes to the mother. Your point is, again?
    I hear all the time about gay couples going to whatever extreme to have children. What do you mean who says the child will be raised in a gay relationship? The gay parents who decided to have children somehow is who says.

    My point again, it is harmful in the long run to upstanding people. I do not think people who are gay should be scorned or unhappy, but they should be the ones denied children and marriage.
    "We've become a nation of strangers. There seems to be very little in common to bond us to our fellow Americans outside of our immediate families,some don't even have that to fall back on."

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    It [same sex marriage] doesn't hurt my race as miscegenation does.
    Indeed, it hurts it in another way.
    http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?p=860862
    I'm sorry, but I don't believe in a soul or spirit. So our argument ends here - on the dividing line between logic and superstition.

    What's your opinion on the mentally ill, might I ask? (Since your avatar is of a Nazi officer I fear for the worst )

    That's a consequence of being the third factor not the second of individual inherent harm.
    Homosexuality isn't a chronic neurological wasting disease - is it? The only related factors that could harm - would be homophobic discrimination, bullying etc... And contracting AIDS. But all of these are not directly related to homosexuality itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    What makes you think such enlightenment automatically follows with years passing?
    I dare to say there are a lot of "adults" who still can't tell the difference, they are just better conditioned to follow rules, the crux of this discussion.
    Usually wisdom comes with age, but for those who it doesn't, they can afford to live with the consequences of their acts.

    Indeed, it hurts it in another way.
    http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?p=860862
    Yeah, things like "degeneration of the soul", "virus to spirituality", what can I say, you really convinced me. It's the same when Christians or Muslims tell me premarital sex is "sinful" and a "degeneration of the soul". It values nothing scientifically.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. Lyfing View Post
    The more gays there are the less marriages/children there are between a man/women. And, that to me is what suggests a healthy society.
    Gays are still going to exist regardless of gay marriage or not. Unless you plan to outlaw homosexuality and force gays to marry the opposite sex, they're still going to exist and they're still going to lead gay relationships, just not legalized ones.

    I hear all the time about gay couples going to whatever extreme to have children. What do you mean who says the child will be raised in a gay relationship? The gay parents who decided to have children somehow is who says.
    The gay parents aren't going to produce that child together. It takes a man and a woman to have a child and like I said, a child is born out of a mother's womb. That's how mine was born, anyway. If the mother and father aren't a family, it's the mother who registers the child and it belongs to her.

    My point again, it is harmful in the long run to upstanding people. I do not think people who are gay should be scorned or unhappy, but they should be the ones denied children and marriage.
    Gay people will be unhappy if they're forced to marry heterosexuals and reproduce with them. How'd you feel if you were forced to marry another woman, to whom you'd obviously feel no sexual and emotional attraction?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viking King View Post
    You're not making much sense here, are you because a bull doesn't have much of a choice or can't inhibit it's behaviours, that means it's not homosexuality?
    Untill we know more about this behaviour some animals show, I don't think anyone here can say for sure that it's homosexuality as it occurs to humans.

    Quote Originally Posted by Viking King View Post
    Are you saying the crimes against humanity the Third Reich committed are absolutely nothing to do with fascism what so ever?
    Yes, the Third Reich was a national-socialist nation, national-socialism is not fascism and vice-versa.

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    Untill we know more about this behaviour some animals show, I don't think anyone here can say for sure that it's homosexuality as it occurs to humans.
    I agree, we should just wait and see. But in the mean time, we have to do with what we've got.

    Yes, the Third Reich was a national-socialist nation, national-socialism is not fascism and vice-versa.
    "Nazism is 'sometimes' considered by scholars to be a form of fascism." - Quote from wikipedia.

    Right, though it's easy to get them confused.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocelot View Post
    Maybe, but does a bull know the difference between how it should be, and how it acts? Because if it can't, it's not homosexuality in my eyes, more some kind of a wrong depiction of how it should be, which is branded by humans as homosexuality, so people can say: "It's totally normal, over 1500 animal species have records of 'homosexuality'."
    Homosexuality is defined by same-sex sex, so it's true for a bull whther it thinks of it or not, anyway, humans are guided by instinct jsut as strong, and often do many things which aren't 'as it should be' or are 'wrong' from somebodys subjective point of view, even when they recognise it ('I see the good, and approve it, but follow the bad' - Ovid). Its just that homosexuality gets some people's (especially men's) knickers in a twist, so we get these inflamed discussions. The best part (ie, the reason we became great) of euro. culture came from greece/rome (rather than christianity), where homosexuality was practiced, and it didn't harm the survival of those people (they eventually fell for different reasons). (i'm not saying that homosexuality is why they were great, just that it doesn't follow that homosexuality destroys a people...)

    as for homosexuality being 'wrong' ie. unnatural, if it was truely unnatural it wouldn't occur at all. there is no 'how it should be' in nature, only how it is, so bull homosexuality, or human homosexuality, is not 'a wrong depiction of how it should be', it is just how it is, what makes it right or wrong what you view as useful for your goals, or in tune with your emotion (which amounts to the same thing). Usually nationalists say homo. is bad from this point since they don't breed, but they can (and have) contributed in other ways, eg fighting in war so that the nation can survive... (eg in greece, as mentioned, it was viewed by some as useful for the goal of the nations survival, by strenthening men's bonds, and making men better soldiers etc...)



    No, Hitler didn't taint the image of fascism, it are the people that call nazi-Germany a fascist nation, and thereby associate the crimes commited by nazi-Germany to fascism. Franco didn't either, Franco did a lot of good actually, he showed the world that falangism/fascism is fighting for Europe and western nations all around the world.
    this is off topic, but iId just like to disagree I think Nazi Germany was a part of Fascism, even more, I think was most true to (and even improved upon) original Fascist ideals, which is why it was also had the most admirable achivements IMO. Italians watered down/compromised on their ideals much more, if italian fascism was the 'true' fascism then there were no other fascisms, and which Italian fasicsm was the 'true' one? answer is all of them had the traits of fascism, so did the german kind, obviosuly there were differances, but the same is true between strands of italian fascism too... as for Franco he was only using the name to jump on a then-popular bandwaggon, he was a conservative dictator, but not Fascist...

    anyway IMO on the question: although I'm not anti-homo, I think the role of the state/purpose of religion should be to subsidise and promote the growth of the best quality families (ie, breeders )(via tax cuts, extra benifits to 'desirables' etc), as 'true' homosexuals don't breed, there would be no reason for them to be officially married by the state/religion (I even think these should be the same - hehe ), but they're free to cuddle and give rings to each other as much as they like other that as far as I am concerned...

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    anyway IMO on the question: although I'm not anti-homo, I think the role of the state/purpose of religion should be to subsidise and promote the growth of the best quality families (ie, breeders )(via tax cuts, extra benifits to 'desirables' etc), as 'true' homosexuals don't breed, there would be no reason for them to be officially married by the state/religion (I even think these should be the same - hehe ), but they're free to cuddle and give rings to each other as much as they like other that as far as I am concerned...
    That's a bit totalitarian - the state taxing homosexuals more than heterosexuals?

    Should post-menopausal women and sterile couples be banned from marrying too?

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