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    Quote Originally Posted by Rozenstorm View Post
    They are NOT able to have children if they act according to their disorder. It's a mental disorder not a physical one, that's why it's called a mental disorder.
    Do you know what inability means? Capacity. You are either able to do something or you aren't, it's not a choice. Homosexual individuals are able to have children, they just choose not to because they don't want heterosexual relationships, thus your criterium doesn't apply to them. The only people who are inable to have children are those who are infertile. Wat would you call bisexuality? Bisexuals sometimes have children, but still engage in relationship with both sexes. Is that a mental disorder? Should bisexuals be allowed to marry both sexes?

    And many homosexuals come out of deranged families and have higher odds of instability. But that's more a cause that a consequence if you ask me.
    Source? And what's your point with this? That having odds of instability = mental disorder?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todesengel View Post
    So homosexuality shouldn't be outlawed, although according to you "it hurts every race" and so forth, but homosexual marriage should? Usually, the peple who are against homosexual marriage are also against homosexuality. Could you come up with a rational explanation why homosexuality should be allowed/shouldn't be outlawed, but homosexual marriage shouldn't?
    This thread is moving so fast its hard to keep up, but I am trying.

    Sure I can explain my rational explanation. Homosexuality should be allowed because it is a part of life it seems, just as Winter and Spring. Those kind of things I do not fight against really. The homosexuals want their relationship, they get them. They can be life partners if they want or they can do whatever they choose. They can even buy each other rings and dance in circles for all I care, and I am no Christian either, but to expect to be married as man and women is not right. They are not husband and wife, they are different, yet they want the same traditions as husband/wife. ?????

    Sure, we could all sit back and say, whats gay marriage gonna hurt..? If they are happy then we are all happy, but its really about the long lasting impression it leaves on the world. If every state in America suddenly announced its new law that gay marriage is allowed now, I am sure plenty of other countries would have plenty to say.


    You don't have a logical point. Homosexual marriage and adoption are two different matters
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    Yes I do. Homosexual marriage and adoption become one when its gay people adopting...don't ya reckon..?


    Whats not logical is why you are against adoption?

    So, due to the existence of homosexuals, the number of marriages/children between man and woman decrease. How else would the number of man-woman marriages/children increase, if not by the contribution of homosexuals? Homosexuals obviously feel no sexual/emotional attraction to the opposite sex, homosexuality, is, like heterosexuality, not a choice. You are either attracted to the same/opposite sex, or you are not. So the only way they'd contribute to increasing the number of family would be by coercion/force. Now are you going to go back on that argument of yours and explain how exactly will denying homosexuals the right to marry contribute to the raise in a number of heterosexual marriages and children?
    Huh..?

    Viking King-Well statistics say otherwise. You can't pass homosexuality on your offspring by oppenly accept it - accepting homosexuality will only help make their life less cruel and tormented.
    Homosexuality is mainly the result of fluctuating foetal hormone levels in the second trimester, androgens such as testosterone.
    I didn't say anything about worrying about passing it on to children, I said it wasn't a good way for children to grow up. The children will endure much heartache and grief from other children. That is more my worry, not if the child turns gay.

    Homosexuality is not a contagious disease like chicken pox. Its origins are unknown but what is certain is that aside form a few rare cases, it its beyond the reach of one's will.
    I didn't consider it to be contagious but what I did consider is just like 90 lb models or wearing green eye shadow, children pick up from whats popular and try it themselves, so they can be popular too. That was my point about it spreading. Not spreading making them gay but spreading the idea just like you wouldn't want Jews spreading the idea of interracial relations.

    Tolerance of homosexuality will result in gays having an easier time coming to terms with their homosexuality. Intolerance leads to them becoming head cases which is not good for society.
    I do have tolerance. I have already stated several times I am not looking for their demise or hardship.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Todesengel View Post
    Do you know what inability means? Capacity. You are either able to do something or you aren't, it's not a choice. Homosexual individuals are able to have children, they just choose not to because they don't want heterosexual relationships, thus your criterium doesn't apply to them. The only people who are inable to have children are those who are infertile. Wat would you call bisexuality? Bisexuals sometimes have children, but still engage in relationship with both sexes. Is that a mental disorder? Should bisexuals be allowed to marry both sexes?


    Source? And what's your point with this? That having odds of instability = mental disorder?

    Does this fine example of a homosexual look like hes in a stable mental condition?

    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pino View Post
    Does this fine example of a homosexual look like hes in a stable mental condition?

    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc
    He's not a "fine example of a homosexual", he's just an effeminate gay guy who likes to joke a dress up.

    Jeez he's imitating someone for Christ's sake, lighten up a bit will ya?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. Lyfing View Post
    This thread is moving so fast its hard to keep up, but I am trying.

    Sure I can explain my rational explanation. Homosexuality should be allowed because it is a part of life it seems, just as Winter and Spring. Those kind of things I do not fight against really.
    Miscegenation and rape are also part of life. Robbery is. Murder. It happens every day in some countries. Allow them too? No, I'm afraid that allowing something just because "it's part of life" isn't very rational. You'll rarely find anything that isn't part of life.

    The homosexuals want their relationship, they get them. They can be life partners if they want or they can do whatever they choose. They can even buy each other rings and dance in circles for all I care, and I am no Christian either, but to expect to be married as man and women is not right. They are not husband and wife, they are different, yet they want the same traditions as husband/wife. ?????

    Sure, we could all sit back and say, whats gay marriage gonna hurt..? If they are happy then we are all happy, but its really about the long lasting impression it leaves on the world. If every state in America suddenly announced its new law that gay marriage is allowed now, I am sure plenty of other countries would have plenty to say.
    They wouldn't be husband and wife, they'd be husband and husband and wife and wife.

    This second argument of yours is against marriage as a whole, not against homosexual marriage. I.e. Everything you said can also be applied to heterosexual marriage. Heterosexual couples can have their relationships and be happy without being married.

    I do. Homosexual marriage and adoption become one when its gay people adopting...don't ya reckon..?
    No, I don't reckon at all. Like I said, adoption and marriage are two different issues. If homosexuals are allowed to adopt, then single homosexuals could do it too.

    Whats not logical is why you are against adoption?
    I already explained. Adoption is bringing someone alien into your family and giving them birth rights when they weren't born into that family. Preservation is about passing your blood, furthering your bloodlines.

    Not to mention that oftimes there is little information about the parents of the abandoned child. Children of alien ethnicities could end up in families where they don't belong ethnically.

    Huh..?
    You said homosexual marriages are harmful because the number of heterosexual marriages and children decreases. But if homosexual marriages are illegal, that still won't increase the number of heterosexual marriages. Having homosexual marriages illegal won't eliminate homosexuality. The only way to increase heterosexual marriages while decreasing homosexual ones would be by forcing homosexuals to found heterosexual families.

    I didn't say anything about worrying about passing it on to children, I said it wasn't a good way for children to grow up. The children will endure much heartache and grief from other children. That is more my worry, not if the child turns gay.
    Single parent children endure too. That's life. But anyway, like I said, adoption is a whole different matter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pino View Post
    Does this fine example of a homosexual look like hes in a stable mental condition?

    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc
    I suppose I should post a video of a heterosexual nutcase and use it as an argument to outlaw heterosexual marriages?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viking King View Post
    He's not a "fine example of a homosexual", he's just an effeminate gay guy who likes to joke a dress up.

    Jeez he's imitating someone for Christ's sake, lighten up a bit will ya?
    You do realise that this guy is not a Joke this is actually his sick personality, people walking round dressed as Women with lipstick on is now ok as well? If you watch some of his other YouTube videos which also are not a joke they are him being his normal self you will see he is an emotional wreck, he is also a hero to a lot of the gay community which tells you something about them if they can be a fan of whatever the hell he is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Todesengel View Post
    Miscegenation and rape are also part of life. Robbery is. Murder. It happens every day in some countries. Allow them too? No, I'm afraid that allowing something just because "it's part of life" isn't very rational. You'll rarely find anything that isn't part of life.
    Good point but your taking what I said out of context. Murder and rape and so on are choices stupid people make. Being gay is not a choice, remember?

    They wouldn't be husband and wife, they'd be husband and husband and wife and wife.



    This second argument of yours is against marriage as a whole, not against homosexual marriage. I.e. Everything you said can also be applied to heterosexual marriage. Heterosexual couples can have their relationships and be happy without being married.
    I don't care, I was speaking of homosexuals though. Heterosexuals are allowed to be happy married or not. It isn't illegal for them.

    No, I don't reckon at all. Like I said, adoption and marriage are two different issues. If homosexuals are allowed to adopt, then single homosexuals could do it too.
    They are not two different issues when gay people are trying to adopt. Single homo's shouldn't be allowed to adopt either.


    I already explained. Adoption is bringing someone alien into your family and giving them birth rights when they weren't born into that family. Preservation is about passing your blood, furthering your bloodlines.
    Yes I know what preservation means but it seems cold hearted to feel that children who needed adopted shouldn't be, like its their fault whatever happened to their parents.

    You said homosexual marriages are harmful because the number of heterosexual marriages and children decreases. But if homosexual marriages are illegal, that still won't increase the number of heterosexual marriages. Having homosexual marriages illegal won't eliminate homosexuality. The only way to increase heterosexual marriages while decreasing homosexual ones would be by forcing homosexuals to found heterosexual families.
    I was looking at it like the more people that are gay the less normal families there will be. But, I know they can't be forced or pretend to be straight just for this.

    Single parent children endure too. That's life. But anyway, like I said, adoption is a whole different matter.
    So, your suggesting single parent children will get teased as gay parent children..? I don't think so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. Lyfing View Post
    Good point but your taking what I said out of context. Murder and rape and so on are choices stupid people make. Being gay is not a choice, remember?
    It's not a choice, but you argued that it should let be because it's part of life, you said nothing about choice. Do you have a point with all this, because I don't see it.

    I don't care, I was speaking of homosexuals though. Heterosexuals are allowed to be happy married or not. It isn't illegal for them.
    You were making an argument against homosexual marriage which also applies to any other kind of marriage. Now you are switching your argument again. So you're saying heterosexual marriage should be allowed because it's legal? Interracial marriage is legal too. Status quo can be tricky.

    They are not two different issues when gay people are trying to adopt.
    I said marriage and adoption are two different things. What's so difficult to understand?

    Single homo's shouldn't be allowed to adopt either.
    As I said, I agree.

    Yes I know what preservation means but it seems cold hearted to feel that children who needed adopted shouldn't be, like its their fault whatever happened to their parents.
    What does fault have to do with anything? It's not the immigrant child's fault that he was born in a white country, does that mean he should get the same benefits as a white child? I'd say not, sometimes the innocent have to suffer too, it's not a rosy world.

    I was looking at it like the more people that are gay the less normal families there will be. But, I know they can't be forced or pretend to be straight just for this.
    And I said disallowing gay marriage won't reduce the number of gays. Your point?

    So, your suggesting single parent children will get teased as gay parent children..? I don't think so.
    Not always. I know children of single parents who get mocked at school. I know children of single parents who don't. Sometimes children of gays will be teased, sometimes not. Remember something, in some kindergartens children are being taught that homosexuality is a natural thing. But then again, this wouldn't be a problem if adoption is disallowed as I suggested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viking King View Post
    That's a bit totalitarian - the state taxing homosexuals more than heterosexuals?
    In general, taxing people who opt not to have children more than those who do would be a good idea, since the people who don't have children or only have one contribute less to the future than the people who have large families, so they should have to contribute more in other ways (paying for roads, police, military, etc)

    Quote Originally Posted by Viking King View Post
    Should post-menopausal women and sterile couples be banned from marrying too?
    I don't see a problem with that. If the state is going to license marriages and grant benefits that go along them, it should only go to couples who can/will/do have children.
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    Allowing gays to marry benefits the nation through exactly nothing. Why should they get the benefits from the state that come with marriage if they can't have kids?

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