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    I have mixed feelings. I don't believe in same-sex marriage, but I'm not opposed to civil unions. Society should be under no obligation to change the very, very old definition of marriage just for the convenience of a small minority.

    But persecuting gays can have serious consequences. Back when homosexual acts were illegal, gays were vulnerable to blackmail. This was a major problem when the person being blackmailed was in a position of power, and it should be obvious why. You don't want a nuclear scientist to feel pressured that way into giving secrets to your country's enemies.

    One thing I find ironic is that the Left has been saying for generations that genes have no influence on human behavior, and NOW they're claiming that people are "born gay."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cynehelm View Post
    I have mixed feelings. I don't believe in same-sex marriage, but I'm not opposed to civil unions. Society should be under no obligation to change the very, very old definition of marriage just for the convenience of a small minority.

    But persecuting gays can have serious consequences. Back when homosexual acts were illegal, gays were vulnerable to blackmail. This was a major problem when the person being blackmailed was in a position of power, and it should be obvious why. You don't want a nuclear scientist to feel pressured that way into giving secrets to your country's enemies.

    One thing I find ironic is that the Left has been saying for generations that genes have no influence on human behavior, and NOW they're claiming that people are "born gay."
    I'm just in favor of civil unions and in the middle on the issue because its just not a big deal to me. I still think traditional marriage should be protected and I don't like being around gays...but what other people do with their love lives and how states regulate people's finacial contracts is not something I either care about or concern myself with. I just really don't see alot of the issue as being any of my business.

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    The state should enforce the agreements of individuals and provide remedies for breach and penalties for fraud.

    I personally believe that homosexuality is a symptom of a decadent culture and is a counter-productive and dysfunctional lifestyle. However, I would not empower the civil government to tell homosexuals what they can and cannot do and to punish them for not living the way I think is best. I would, on the other hand, permit private associations (churches, private schools, Boy Scouts, whatever) to make their own determinations re who can be a member and who can't.

    The government should not be permitted to punish consenting adults for their private arrangements, and it should not be permitted to force others to associate with individuals they would not otherwise associate with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viking King View Post
    The key difference as I said before is consent. An animal can't consent to marrying a human adult; neither can children or a dead person. So if two people love each other through consent, why not?

    Also leave the bloody state out of this, leave them out of most peoples lives I say and let them got on with them.
    I don't care about consent. I'm not a democrat. Interracial relationships between adults are consensual but I'm against them too. Why not? Because it damages the nation. It's degeneracy. I can already see the disgusting consequences: homosexuals from third world countries where homosexuality is illegal will immigrate to Germany and seek asylum and marry their boyfriends in my country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bärin View Post
    I don't care about consent. I'm not a democrat. Interracial relationships between adults are consensual but I'm against them too. Why not? Because it damages the nation. It's degeneracy. I can already see the disgusting consequences: homosexuals from third world countries where homosexuality is illegal will immigrate to Germany and seek asylum and marry their boyfriends in my country.
    I'm so in agreement with you right now. It is degeneracy, back in Visigoth and Viking age days the crime of ergi(unmanly behavior for men and unwomanly behavior for women) was a crime against divine law. So one could say that its an ungermanic and foreign live style as well.

    That being said I don't advocate persecution of these people in the modern age based on this but I also do not favor this behavior being encouraged and subsidized by the state either.

    But I also think that government should not be permitted to punish consenting adults for their private arrangements. And that it should not be permitted to force others to associate with individuals they would not otherwise associate with. I think that not changing the definition of traditional marriage not subsidizing it but leaving the consenting gays alone to enter whatever agreements they want should work just fine. (In keeping a lot of Arab fags away I mean and to stop doing so much to promote miscegenation.) Its that middle ground that's needed so everyone can have their degree of freedom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arjuana_of_Persia View Post
    It is degeneracy, back in Visigoth and Viking age days the crime of ergi(unmanly behavior for men and unwomanly behavior for women) was a crime against divine law. So one could say that its an ungermanic and foreign live style as well.
    Take a closer look at the priests of Freyr. Gender-benders did have a few niches in ancient Germanic society. Also, archeologists have been surprised to find that the sex of skeletons from Viking graves do not always match what one would expect based on the objects they were buried with.

    Gays nowadays should find equivalent niches where they can contribute to society as a whole instead of pushing Enlightenment egalitarianism to an absurd extreme as with the issue of gay marriage.
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    Same sex Marriage

    Gentleman, Are we talking "Marriage" or "Civil Unions" It's quite important to make the distinction. One falls under the purvey of Ecclesiastical Law, the other, the Civil Law. As for the development codes and statutes, that is dependant on the temper of the times and and the distemper of those in control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eadwine View Post
    Gentleman, Are we talking "Marriage" or "Civil Unions" It's quite important to make the distinction. One falls under the purvey of Ecclesiastical Law, the other, the Civil Law. As for the development codes and statutes, that is dependant on the temper of the times and and the distemper of those in control.
    You're right about making the distinction and the temper of the times, I'd say thinking about everyone's that states should at least be given the option of making it part of civil law and allowing civil unions.

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    The problem with gay marriage is that use of the word marriage an equivalency is created between homosexuality and heterosexuality with is not actually there. A heterosexual couple can create new life, a homosexual couple cannot. This enormous difference should be reflected in the words used to describe them.

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    Why should I be bothered? I have enough important things going on in my own life, I don't have time or the need to police others around.

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