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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. Lyfing View Post
    The more gays there are the less marriages/children there are between a man/women. And, that to me is what suggests a healthy society.
    If 100% of everyone were to somehow turn gay, then yes, that would not be a healthy society. But, how likely is that? Only a small minority will fall into gay relationships, and they can (and should) find other ways than procreation to contribute to the health of the community.

    If 100% of everyone were coerced into following the same path through life despite their strongest instincts and despite what all they are capable of contributing to the community, that would not be a healthy society, either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Todesengel View Post
    Gays are still going to exist regardless of gay marriage or not. Unless you plan to outlaw homosexuality and force gays to marry the opposite sex, they're still going to exist and they're still going to lead gay relationships, just not legalized ones.
    I don't care if they lead gay relationships. As I said, I am not concerned in taking away their choice to be homosexual. I also would laugh at the idea of outlawing homosexuality. But, the idea of making same sex marriage illegal has many positive standpoints in my opinion.


    The gay parents aren't going to produce that child together. It takes a man and a woman to have a child and like I said, a child is born out of a mother's womb. That's how mine was born, anyway. If the mother and father aren't a family, it's the mother who registers the child and it belongs to her.
    Your not getting my point. I realize they are not going to produce together but in many cases they raise the child together, and sometimes I figure the child is even adopted by the 2 whether it be 2 lesbians or 2 gay men, they are the ones raising the child together. Again, I am not talking about the child's blood ties, I am talking about its raising and that I find raising a child in a gay marriage a bad thing!



    Gay people will be unhappy if they're forced to marry heterosexuals and reproduce with them. How'd you feel if you were forced to marry another woman, to whom you'd obviously feel no sexual and emotional attraction?
    Who is speaking of forcing anyone..? Not me. I wouldn't want anyone to force them into a heterosexual marriage. I just don't condone their marriage, not their relationship.

    Loddfafner-If 100% of everyone were to somehow turn gay, then yes, that would not be a healthy society. But, how likely is that? Only a small minority will fall into gay relationships, and they can (and should) find other ways than procreation to contribute to the health of the community.
    I see what your saying but I feel it is more than a small minority that are gay. Then what you get is a world full of openness to homosexuality and everyone dancing around saying its fine. Then, that gets passed on to child after child. Then it is a problem.

    If 100% of everyone were coerced into following the same path through life despite their strongest instincts and despite what all they are capable of contributing to the community, that would not be a healthy society, either.
    I do not feel that they are making up their gayness, I do not feel they shouldn't be gay if thats what floats their boat. What I am saying is it doesn't mean they should have a legal marriage.
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    I see what your saying but I feel it is more than a small minority that are gay. Then what you get is a world full of openness to homosexuality and everyone dancing around saying its fine. Then, that gets passed on to child after child. Then it is a problem.
    Well statistics say otherwise. You can't pass homosexuality on your offspring by oppenly accept it - accepting homosexuality will only help make their life less cruel and tormented.
    Homosexuality is mainly the result of fluctuating foetal hormone levels in the second trimester, androgens such as testosterone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. Lyfing View Post
    I don't care if they lead gay relationships. As I said, I am not concerned in taking away their choice to be homosexual. I also would laugh at the idea of outlawing homosexuality. But, the idea of making same sex marriage illegal has many positive standpoints in my opinion.
    So homosexuality shouldn't be outlawed, although according to you "it hurts every race" and so forth, but homosexual marriage should? Usually, the peple who are against homosexual marriage are also against homosexuality. Could you come up with a rational explanation why homosexuality should be allowed/shouldn't be outlawed, but homosexual marriage shouldn't?

    Your not getting my point. I realize they are not going to produce together but in many cases they raise the child together, and sometimes I figure the child is even adopted by the 2 whether it be 2 lesbians or 2 gay men, they are the ones raising the child together. Again, I am not talking about the child's blood ties, I am talking about its raising and that I find raising a child in a gay marriage a bad thing!
    You don't have a logical point. Homosexual marriage and adoption are two different matters. Firtst of all, one doesn't need to be married in order to adopt. Adoptions can be granted to single individuals too and second of all, I repeatedly said I am against adoption of any kind, including by homosexuals.

    Who is speaking of forcing anyone..? Not me. I wouldn't want anyone to force them into a heterosexual marriage. I just don't condone their marriage, not their relationship.
    Among your arguments against gay marriage was this:
    The more gays there are the less marriages/children there are between a man/women. And, that to me is what suggests a healthy society.
    So, due to the existence of homosexuals, the number of marriages/children between man and woman decrease. How else would the number of man-woman marriages/children increase, if not by the contribution of homosexuals? Homosexuals obviously feel no sexual/emotional attraction to the opposite sex, homosexuality, is, like heterosexuality, not a choice. You are either attracted to the same/opposite sex, or you are not. So the only way they'd contribute to increasing the number of family would be by coercion/force. Now are you going to go back on that argument of yours and explain how exactly will denying homosexuals the right to marry contribute to the raise in a number of heterosexual marriages and children?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viking King View Post
    Well statistics say otherwise. You can't pass homosexuality on your offspring by oppenly accept it - accepting homosexuality will only help make their life less cruel and tormented.
    Homosexuality is mainly the result of fluctuating foetal hormone levels in the second trimester, androgens such as testosterone.
    I think it's the complete opposite, homosexuality is just a state of mind or a dysfunction of the brain rather which some are born with but it can also be developed when bringing them up in a world which screams at them from all corners "IT'S GREAT TO BE GAY" which modern society definitely does and because of it where creating a society of queers and if they are not queers they are walking around in Pink with enough hair products on there head to kill off an entire zoo full of test monkeys.

    It is possible to brainwash people to be Gay, the amount of Gays about these days is at epidemic levels even to the point where in Britain they have there own little gay villages in cities which on a Saturday night is the place of the most vile and un-moral acts you could possibly imagine, I refuse to believe a couple of hundred years ago these nancy boys where all secret wanna be girls but couldn't come out because of fear of persecution, these queers have become the disgusting state which they are thanks to very careful manipulation by the media.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Todesengel View Post

    Could you give examples of individual problems due to the disorder which constitute inherent harm? Not being able to have children was the only thing you mentioned so far. Not being able to have children is also a consequence of a third factor, i.e. the decision of the homosexual to engage in a relationship with another homosexual. People who are homosexual are able to have children biologically, they just can't have them with a partner of the same sex. Those who remain in the closet or marry a person of the opposite sex can still have children biologically speaking, but their homosexual orientation (i.e. atraction to the opposite sex) remains still. Last, judging by your definition, are people who are unable to have children biologically mentally ill?
    Well, they're able to do so if they do not act upon their disorder, are they? If they act according to their disorder they can't have children, can they? Besides, there are numerous other individual harms like psychological problems, they tend to have more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. Lyfing View Post
    Then what you get is a world full of openness to homosexuality and everyone dancing around saying its fine. Then, that gets passed on to child after child. Then it is a problem.
    Homosexuality is not a contagious disease like chicken pox. Its origins are unknown but what is certain is that aside form a few rare cases, it its beyond the reach of one's will.

    Tolerance of homosexuality will result in gays having an easier time coming to terms with their homosexuality. Intolerance leads to them becoming head cases which is not good for society.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rozenstorm View Post
    Well, they're able to do so if they do not act upon their disorder, are they? If they act according to their disorder they can't have children, can they?
    I thought the disorder was defined by individual issues like inability to have children. Now it changes. I see. So by your new definition then, it's rather the choice not to have children that classifies someone as mentally disordered. So I suppose anyone who dosn't want to have children is mentally disordered too?

    Besides, there are numerous other individual harms like psychological problems, they tend to have more.
    Source? What kind of "psychological problems"? They are obviously more introverted and shy since society has been oppressive of homosexuality for a long time, but introvertedness and shiness isn't what I'd call a mental disorder. Anything else?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todesengel View Post
    I thought the disorder was defined by individual issues like inability to have children. Now it changes. I see. So by your new definition then, it's rather the choice not to have children that classifies someone as mentally disordered. So I suppose anyone who dosn't want to have children is mentally disordered too?


    Source? What kind of "psychological problems"? They are obviously more introverted and shy since society has been oppressive of homosexuality for a long time, but introvertedness and shiness isn't what I'd call a mental disorder. Anything else?
    They are NOT able to have children if they act according to their disorder. It's a mental disorder not a physical one, that's why it's called a mental disorder.

    And many homosexuals come out of deranged families and have higher odds of instability. But that's more a cause than a consequence if you ask me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loddfafner View Post
    Homosexuality is not a contagious disease like chicken pox. Its origins are unknown but what is certain is that aside form a few rare cases, it its beyond the reach of one's will.

    Tolerance of homosexuality will result in gays having an easier time coming to terms with their homosexuality. Intolerance leads to them becoming head cases which is not good for society.
    Intolerance of them is not good for homosexuals, not society, society is much better off without these people.
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