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    About Authors Who Write of Tradition [Split from "The Historical Failure of..."]

    Again, my apologies, but this [ http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.p...215#post859215 ] monologue/explication does not belong here, TII.

    Moreover, I find tremendous irony in it's presumptuousness; and prima facie contradiction.

    "Radical Traditionalism" wasn't even named as such until René Guénon (a.k.a Sheikh 'Abd al-Wahid Yahyaof Schuon'), a converted French Catholic (for most of his formative years) who specialised in Mathematics laid its explicative foundations.

    All of its later elaborators/refiners had analagous formative years.


    I like Evola - especially his artistic period. He's very creative. Here is one of the many reasons he, and the genuine-ness of his later philosophical period - and its conclusions - are suspect:

    "The Idea, only the Idea must be our true homeland. It is not being born in the same country, speaking the same language or belonging to the same racial stock that matters; rather, sharing the same Idea must be the factor that unites us and differentiates us from everybody else (Julius Evola, Gli uomini e le rovine, Rome: Edizioni Settimo Sigillo, 1990, p. 41).


    Moreover, "Radical Traditionalism" is more of an invention than any Germanic Heathenry ("Neo" or otherwise), that I have ever seen.


    You ought to question these texts, however interseting they are; and to whatever extent they animate your Spirit.

    Heathenry is not in a book.
    "...The moral man is a lower species than the immoral, a weaker species; indeed - he is a type in regard to morality, but not a type in himself; a copy...the measure of his value lies outside him. ... I assess the power of a will by how much resistance, pain, torture it endures and knows how to turn to its advantage; I do not account the evil and painful character of existence a reproach to it, but hope rather that it will one day be more evil and painful than hitherto..." (Nietzsche)

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    First; you, telling me, professor SuuT, what to put here and there, even if you are among the better writers of this forum, has little clout. So your apologies don't belong here, for there was nothing to apologize for.

    What do you mean you find ´tremendous irony in it's presumptuousness; and prima facie contradiction´ in my post? If you find it contradictory it must be because you don't understand something. That isn't suprising, since it seems, from looking at your post, that you are entangled in judging things by their apparent forms rather than the principles which animate them; we could call it prejudice. Further, from looking at your post, it seems that you judge (and discredit) things by who said them rather than if they are Right; we can call that ad hominem.

    My post, unlike yours (here above), addressed specific points of which the starter of the thread The Historical Failure of Germanic Heathenism brought up. That is, the reasons of the failure in specifically in regards to Fixity or Flux in regards to spirituality. Your post however, is sort of a mini-history of authors who write of Traditions; it does not tackle my points nor Moody's points.The purpose of this mini-history of authors seems to be to belittle the message of my post.

    Anyway; your, mini-history, personalities-centered, post does little. So common are the misunderstandings (not as common as with Nietzsche though, I guess) that there has been created a special entity known as "Evola as he is" to counter them.
    I'll update you.

    You seem to think that Evola, or I, subscribe to some ideology many call (´Radical/Primordial/Integral) ´Traditionalism´. That is wrong. And an all-too-common misunderstanding. Evola never called himself a Traditionalist, nor even a Fascist. I don't either. He never invented anything, really, in his books; he presented data from (mainly Indo-European) Traditions and explained its meaning for those who hardly bother to read hundreds of ancient (and modern) texts/scrolls/manuscripts/books.


    Quote Originally Posted by SuuT View Post
    "The Idea, only the Idea must be our true homeland. It is not being born in the same country, speaking the same language or belonging to the same racial stock that matters; rather, sharing the same Idea must be the factor that unites us and differentiates us from everybody else (Julius Evola, Gli uomini e le rovine, Rome: Edizioni Settimo Sigillo, 1990, p. 41).
    Like all excerpts, this has to be put into the right perspective. Here Evola refers to an Idea in the highest sense, an Idea of sovereignty, order, hierarchy, Right, Justice and Might. An Idea that human-society should be ordered vertically, hierarchically-no matter what land and what race-opposed to horizontally (democratically). He's really talking about the Aristocratic Idea that has been known, and has operated in every (real) civilization no matter where on the globe.
    This excerpt you seem to have put here to serve the wrong conclusion that: Evola wasn't a racialist. Nothing could be further from the truth. As if they who have studied Evola of any depth know (very few, sadly, as with most non-mainstream authors though I guess), he was more the high-educator of racism if anything. As I said:
    Evola opposes the democratic concept of nation, in which the various spiritual and biological races are kept in balance, to the racist concept of nation, in which the leadership consists of an elite, representing the most valid and worthiest elements. In the course of history, a nation, which had its origins in a relatively pure race, has undergone various weakenings. However, in any such composition nation, there has been and remains a superior race. The most racially valid part of a nation must strive to maintain itself.
    Evola completes the modern rassenlehre/raciology by putting it where it belongs (1st degree), as it does in the order of Indo-European doctrines.
    The real man, in addition to the biological and somatic part, is soul and spirit. Therefore, a comprehensive racial theory must consider all these three terms: body, soul and spirit. There will thus be a racism of the first degree, which addresses the strictly biological, anthropological and eugenic problems ; then, a racism of the second degree, which addresses the 'race of the soul', that is to say the form of the character and the affective reactions ; finally, as a crowning-piece, the consideration of the 'race of the spirit', which addresses the highest elements of the personality which, in regard to the general vision of the world and the beyond, destiny, life, action, in short, the 'highest values', differentiate and make men unequal. The classical ideal, racially interpreted, is the harmony and the unity of these three racial aspects in a higher type.
    [Evola, "The Elements of Racial Education"]
    For those who have difficulty in understanding of the racial trichomotomy, that is race of 3 degrees, body, soul and spirit:
    Evola refers to the traditional distinction between soul and spirit in countless occasions, and explains it, from 'Revolt against the Modern World' to 'The Hermetic Tradition' and 'Sintesi di dottrina della razza', in which it is mentioned that the body-soul-spirit trichomotomy corresponds to the Aristotelian and scholastic conception of the 'three souls', the vegetative one, the sensitive one and the intellectual one, to the Hellenic triad of soma-psyché-nous, to the Roman triad of mens-anima-corpus, and to the Indo-Aryan trinity of sthûla-çarîra, linga-çarîra and kârana-çarîra.
    [The moderator (there) in message #487 on the "Evola as he is" Yahoo group]
    Everybody knows the hermetic transposition of body, soul and spirit was sulphur-salt-mercury, while in the Olympian hierarchy are the three divine brothers, Zeus, Poseidon, Hades, to control sky, waters, underworld, images derived from the Hindu Trimurti and the Buddhist Trikaya.
    Dante, in the Divine Comedy, has painted these worlds or vehicles on a moral canvas during the Middle Age.
    In fact, it is well known that also not-Aryan traditions followed such a tripartition, from the Ancient Egypt (Ka, Ba, Akh) till Saint Paul (blood, water, spirit).
    Since I was quoting Dante, we have to remember that if he chose rightly as guide for his inner journey the pagan Virgil, on the other hand he was strongly influenced by the Sufism, being a ‘Fedele d'Amore’, so his concept of soul and spirit felt the effect, talking of "intelletto d'amore" (love’s intellect) opposite but correlative to the Sufi ‘intelligence of the hearth’; in this respect, Beatrice (she-who-beatifies) represents the soul of the poet projected outside.
    [Vandermok in message #490 on the "Evola as he is" Yahoo group]
    Quote Originally Posted by SuuT View Post
    You ought to question these texts, however interseting they are; and to whatever extent they animate your Spirit.
    Indeed. Finally something on point, mister philosophy professor. This brings us to something important. When it comes to Evola, for me, it's not so much that I arrive at agreeing with him by discursive intellectualism, but rather that the Ideas he presents are kin to my spirit. They ring true, intuitively.
    In “The Individual and the becoming of the World”, Evola describes certain spiritual “attitudes”, a concept that will be developed and expanded in his later works as “spiritual types” and then “races of the spirit”. The editors of “Sintesi di dottrina della razza” define it thus: “The ‘race of the spirit’ prevalent in a person, a people, a community is given by the characteristic orientation that is assumed toward the sacred and the divine, life and death, destiny, the world.”
    We moderns, under the influence of universalism and egalitarianism, tend to underestimate the significances of spiritual types: Don’t we all laugh and cry? Don’t we bleed when pricked? These, and other such rhetorical questions, seek the unity of humanity in the lowest and most common features. In actuality, men of different spiritual types, which are far from arbitrary, represent quite different states of being. This is obvious when men of differing spiritual types attempt a conversation – their disparate fundamental orientations preclude a common understanding of anything above the most superficial topics.
    This needs to be clarified. The lower man cannot understand the higher. However, as Weininger points out, the higher man can understand the lower since he encompasses more. Therefore, the man of spirit can see that the materialistic may be correct as far as it goes … he simply does not go far enough. However, the materialist can only regard the spiritual man as mistaken, if not deluded.

    [...]

    In Meditations on the Peaks, Evola is explicit:
    All too often people forget that spirituality is essentially a way of life and that its measure does not consist of notions, theories, and ideals that have been stored in one’s head. Spirituality is actually what has been successfully actualized and translated into a sense of superiority which is experienced inside by the soul, and a noble demeanor, which is expressed in the body.
    So in the second part of “The Individual”, Evola does not at all concern himself with notions, theories, and ideals. Rather, he is concerned about which spiritual attitudes lead to that inner sense of superiority and which fall short.

    [Ciopa, "Spiritual Attitudes"]
    In other words, it hardly matters if it was the personality known as Evola that presented the data, or not; what matter is that it's in the Right. As it is in the Right that Germanics are the most bio-racially pure, nowadays, (I refer to comparison of non-Germanics and Germanics with the original Nordic stocks) ethnosocial entity on earth, and thus have a divine right to... [you know what].

    Quote Originally Posted by SuuT View Post
    Heathenry is not in a book.
    Exactly.
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    The Germanic Heathenry Forum is dedicated to the pre-Christian Germanic folkway, alternatively known as Asatru, Odinism, Germanic Heathenism, Forn Sed, Theodism, Irminism, Anglo-Saxon Heathenry, and so forth. Discussion of everything to do with our ancestral path: blots, sumbels, and other forms of Heathen ritual and sacrifice; namings, handfastings/weddings, funerals, and everything in between; Heathen gatherings, groups, and organizations.

    I am uninterested in your analysis of Evola, primarily as I was likely preparing lecture notes on Evola while you were learning how to ride your bike. This, young man, is what we call a fact. Secondarily, I am unintersted within the topic of discussion (cf. the real thread in which my split post belongs) because quoting 'Traditionalists' ad nauseum has very little connection to the question posed, especially when it is supposed to fall under the rubric of the pre-Christian Germanic folkway, alternatively known as Asatru, Odinism, Germanic Heathenism, Forn Sed, Theodism, Irminism, Anglo-Saxon Heathenry, and so forth; much of which is - and must be - lived, and not read about.

    I live it.

    I am uninterested in an inflated sense of importance; and I am intensely uninterested in yet another teenager with moderating powers making an intellectual fool of themself by defining a genetic fallacy (cf. your second paragraph) and calling it an ad hominem, saying one was committed when neither were and then demonstrating an arrogance worthy of only one reponse: To approach Arya-sophia one must subordinate what Siddhattha Gotama called "the blind alley of opinions, the gorge of opinions, the bramble of opinions, the thicket of opinions, the net of opinions".


    As I am fairly certain you will delete this post because you don't like it, not because it contains fallacious/faulty reasoning, I do hope that we are clear.
    "...The moral man is a lower species than the immoral, a weaker species; indeed - he is a type in regard to morality, but not a type in himself; a copy...the measure of his value lies outside him. ... I assess the power of a will by how much resistance, pain, torture it endures and knows how to turn to its advantage; I do not account the evil and painful character of existence a reproach to it, but hope rather that it will one day be more evil and painful than hitherto..." (Nietzsche)

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    Heh, SuuT, you're kind of wasting our time. Stop trying to discredit, ad nauseum, what I'm saying by pointing out what X & Y persona I quoted, but rather try to focus on the message I, and they, present.

    It's about Germanic spiritual ascent.

    Quote Originally Posted by SuuT View Post
    The Germanic Heathenry Forum is dedicated to the pre-Christian Germanic folkway, alternatively known as Asatru, Odinism, Germanic Heathenism, Forn Sed, Theodism, Irminism, Anglo-Saxon Heathenry, and so forth. Discussion of everything to do with our ancestral path: blots, sumbels, and other forms of Heathen ritual and sacrifice; namings, handfastings/weddings, funerals, and everything in between; Heathen gatherings, groups, and organizations.
    Correct (but what a predictable card to try to play though). Hence my post in the thread The Historical Failure of Germanic Heathenism addressed points regarding just that. Points, the starter of the thread, Moody, (Plato etc.) brought up. Your reply, to my post, did not however address these points (as I already explained in my post above): it was not on the topic Moody set. Deal with it.

    Quote Originally Posted by SuuT View Post
    I am uninterested in your analysis of Evola, primarily as I was likely preparing lecture notes on Evola while you were learning how to ride your bike. This, young man, is what we call a fact.
    Likely not(!) since your post displayed a very-common surface-(mis)understanding of the man and the ideas he presents.
    Further my reply was, rather than an analysis, an explanation and publishing of information you apparently were not aware of.

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    I live it [what I call Heathenism].
    How so?

    Quote Originally Posted by SuuT View Post
    I am uninterested in an inflated sense of importance; and I am intensely uninterested in yet another teenager with moderating powers making an intellectual fool of themself
    We'll see who's making himself a fool. How do I have an inflated sense of importance? How can I be a teenager, at my age?

    Quote Originally Posted by SuuT View Post
    As I am fairly certain you will delete this post because you don't like it, not because it contains fallacious/faulty reasoning, I do hope that we are clear.
    Hehe, what an all-too-typical statement from someone who doesn't like to be moderated. Professor, your ´certainty´ was clearly ill-founded: as is now evident.

    In Iceland we have a saying: Það er erfitt að kenna gömlum hundi að sitja.
    Which means literally ´It's difficult to teach an old dog to sit.´
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    Hope you two don't mind me butting in...

    This topic is of great interest to me, through my experiences with Odinism and Odinist's I must say that for the most part it strikes me as more of a spiritual hobby of sorts. Mostly I've found nostalgia, recreationalist fetishism and romanticism. I've also found that there are many undesirable under-currents within it, such as Christian and liberal sentiments, not to mention those who merely like to dress up and drink mead. I don’t mean any offence to authentic heathens as I’m aware several exist but overall I think the modern representations of ancient doctrines are a poor attempt at reviving roots we are almost completely removed from.

    I agree with TII in regard to the message meaning more than the messenger, I've found that so many people desperately cling to things today merely because of where it comes from whilst completely disregarding what it stands for and represents. The ultimate aim should be to go beyond our current state and ascend, not contentment with somewhat questionable tales.

    SuuT's statements about Evola I found interesting, particularly the one of which you for some reason try and discredit aristocratic hierarchy as this hierarchy itself revolves heavily around racial exclusivity.
    "For the authentic revolutionary conservative, what really counts is to be faithful not to past forms and institutions, but rather to principles of which such forms and institutions have been particular expressions, adequate for a specific period of time and in a specific geographical area." Julius Evola - Men Among the Ruins

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beornulf View Post
    [...]SuuT's statements about Evola I found interesting, particularly the one of which you for some reason try and discredit aristocratic hierarchy [...]


    Didn't do that, either.

    I like, but ultimately reject, Evola on the same grounds that the Reich rejected Evola.

    I like, and ultimatley accept, Evola in so far as we must regress to Progress.
    "...The moral man is a lower species than the immoral, a weaker species; indeed - he is a type in regard to morality, but not a type in himself; a copy...the measure of his value lies outside him. ... I assess the power of a will by how much resistance, pain, torture it endures and knows how to turn to its advantage; I do not account the evil and painful character of existence a reproach to it, but hope rather that it will one day be more evil and painful than hitherto..." (Nietzsche)

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuuT View Post
    I like, but ultimately reject, Evola on the same grounds that the Reich rejected Evola.
    The Reich didn't reject Evola. Again, you display lack of knowledge about this subject. Perhaps you shouldn't have opened your mouth about it in the first place.
    [...] National-Socialism was far from being a monolithic entity; not all its representatives uphold that materialist and biological view on race which Evola criticised as being too close to scientific and social Darwinism; not all of them followed in Darré's footsteps on these matters. Evola's standpoint must have found an echo among some of them, especially among some of the representatives of conservative-revolution, whether writers or not, as shown, if need be, by the project 'Sangue e spirito', a review which was meant to contribute to strengthen the relationship between Germany and Italy in the political and racial field; Evola was invited repeatedly to Berlin during WW2 to finalise the programme of this review. However, this project fell through. According to him, this failure was due to Italian Catholic circles on one hand and to Italian official racialist circles on the other hand, and, in any case, not to the German side.

    [The moderator of "Evola as he is" in message #112]


    [...] In the second place, there is the problem of his relations with the SS. Right-wing historiography, on one hand, underlines the hostility of the SS towards Evola's thinking ; but, on the other hand, regards it as possible that he collaborated with the SD, the security service of the Black Order. This is what Christophe Boutin affirms in a text which is generally laudatory: "Politique et Tradition : Julius Evola dans le siècle 1898/1974", authoritatively reviewed in 'Diorama letterario' by Piero di Vona, who describes it as "rich, serious, and quite well documented, (with, as its) specific object the formation of Evola's political ideas, seen as a reflection of the general world-view peculiar to Traditional thought". According to Boutin, Evola was indeed a collaborator of the intelligence service of the SD. This collaboration comprised services: (1) as a lecturer ; (2) as the examiner of Masonic documents in Wien ; (3) as an informer to the SD.

    [Moderator of "Evola as he is" in message #7]

    [...] people should be aware that things, in the intelligence world in particular, are always more complicated or complex than they appear to an outsider, and, in this case, wonder why Evola was later invited to Vienna by the SS to study Masonic documents, if, as is often believed, spread, echoed and re-echoed, he was "rejected" by National-Socialist authorities.

    [Moderator of "Evola as he is" in message #992]
    This isn't even all.
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    One of the criticisms against the Philosophia Perennis is an accusation that traditionalism is merely the invention of Guenon. Guenon of course rejected the label of traditionalism as it implied merely the tendencies toward tradition. Nevertheless, this accusation shows a misunderstanding of what tradition really is. In point of fact, not all traditions were lost as were those that were replaced by Christianity. There are still unbroken traditions guarded by an elite and passed on orally—as initiation can only be so—in the forms of Hinduism, Taoism, Sufism, and certain forms of Buddhism. Now by tradition we do not mean the charlatanism and magic tricks performed by wandering jugglers and mendicants which now finds its way into modern occultism, but rather the mastery of the self and of the universal principles from which all secondary traditions are based. Thus the Primordial Tradition was not represented so much by forms as those secondary traditions which are more or less derived from it; hence, perennial implies principles which are held in doctrinal unity not the secondary forms or expressions characterized by race and contingencies. The secondary forms are only in place as guides to this final goal of pure knowledge. And it is only from an understanding of principles that one may attempt a reconstruction of a broken tradition, such as the Celtic, Nordic, or Greek.

    One may gather from this that we place no reliance on profane sciences awaiting ever new discoveries, for even after such discoveries are made it would be no less arrogant to think that a scientist who has no attachment to a legitimate tradition is somehow competent to interpret the meanings of such findings beyond the realm of science; and it is the modern sciences, we might add, that are severed from metaphysical principles, and so exist only as specializations, in which no reality exists beyond the prejudices held within that narrow system, whether it be the historical or scientific method, it makes no difference to us what is merely superficial.

    There is still another obstacle to get over and that is this foggy notion that ancient Europeans didn’t have any contact with the East, whereas archeologists have in fact proved otherwise, even beyond mere trade systems, and our ancient texts even say as much. Truth to tell, the ancient sages traveled to faraway lands in search of knowledge and assimilated what they could into their own. Much of our Western knowledge sees its roots in the East (algebra for example), and before that the East received their knowledge from the North. Still there are those who refuse to believe these borrowings took place, even though the exchanges do not invalidate a culture, nor take away from a certain ethnicity. We use the term borrowings but perhaps it is better expressed by Guenon’s phrase, “not fusion but mutual understanding.” We have recourse to Eastern doctrines which provide us with an understanding of principles that are within our own doctrines buried beneath a veil of symbols the meanings of which have become lost. Those who oppose doing so oppose the idea of having any sort of doctrine whatsoever, but favor instead the very free inquiry which is at the heart of progressivism and intellectual anarchy. Reviving anything based on an absence of principles is only bound to fail and any effort to do so in this manner is futile. The alternatives, as one can see, are wholly unthinkable, because the heathen revival has no authority to rest upon, reviving broken traditions on the imaginations of archeologists and academic specialists who are in no wise qualified for such a task!

    Another concern is the deviation into Radical Traditionalism started by Evola who inverted the natural hierarchy placing temporal authority above the sacerdotal. Now this is a serious mistake, for not only is it doctrinally unsound—action is not independent from action—but it also is shortsighted. Whereas the two functions were originally united, in the Golden Age there were no castes to speak of, since everyone was enlightened and therefore their own ruler, having no need of an external one. It was only once Saturn was overthrown that we start to see a hierarchy of castes. But Evola was wrong to consider the Greco-Roman civilization as equivalent to such a time, for the union of the two functions here shows simply a dwindling of the elite. Guenon rightly regarded theological religion as incomplete in regards to knowledge, which it substitutes with sentiment; for it was in this Roman civilization that the religious form was born in which the moral, sentimental component dominated and intellectuality was found lacking. Here also we find material progress to the detriment of spirituality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by exit View Post
    Radical Traditionalism refers to the Evolian school in which the temporal power is placed higher than the sacerdotal authority, a view which I think should be rejected, as Guenon was correct: action does not liberate one from action.
    The brāhmaṇa caste is habitually thought of in the West as a "sacerdotal" caste. This is true only up to a certain point. In the Vedic origins the type of Brahman or "sacrificer" bears little resemblance to that of the "priest" as our contemporaries think of him: he was, rather, a figure both virile and awful and, as we have said, a kind of visible incarnation in the human world of the superhuman (bhu-deva). Furthermore, we often find in the early texts a point where the distinction between the brāhmaṇ—the "sacerdotal" caste—and the ksatram or rajam—the warrior or regal caste—did not exist; a feature that we see in the earliest stages of all traditional civilizations, including the Greek, Roman, and German. The two types only began to differ in a later period, this being another aspect of the process of regression that we have mentioned.
    [Source: Evola, "The Doctrine of Awakening" p. 28]

    Quote Originally Posted by exit View Post
    We use the term perennial philosophy
    We? Some of you, do, not all of us. I don't.
    For the finer, and racially tuned, of us, there is a great distinction between (Higher) Aryan (Solar) Traditon(s) and (Lower) Semitic (Lunar) Tradition(s): considering the typology of (spiritual) races, one can argue there isn't an one ´perennial philosophy´.
    [...] Julius Evola in this same introduction went back over his differences with René Guénon and pointed out some of the limitations which - from an Aryan traditional perspective - are peculiar to Guénon's work, and lead to remarkable consequences. Having noted that sacerdotality and warlike royalty were one and the same thing at their origin, and that René Guénon fully acknowledged this fact, Evola wondered on what basis the French metaphysician could claim that the former was superior per se to the latter. This is is an issue which René Guénon never addressed, and that his devoted followers have always carefully avoided. The pontificating psittacism of these followers does not impress in any way those who have better things to do than to establish who was top of the class, and who know that, in their tradition, that is the Western one, the political function and the spiritual function have often been embodied by the same person. It is necessary to point out that Guénon himself admitted to knowing nothing at all about Graeco-Roman culture. In the same way, very few people seem to realise the absurd contradiction which follows from Guénon's views on this matter, which Julius Evola highlighted : "Guénon acknowledges that the tendency to action prevails in Western peoples. Given this state of affairs, one does not see how it can be affirmed that the only traditional form possible for the West is of the religious type (...) that a tradition of the religious type and, more generally, a tradition characterised by the assertion of the primacy of knowledge over action unilaterally considered should be the only conceivable basis for a reconstruction of the West appears problematic."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thulean Imperial Inquisitor View Post
    Furthermore, we often find in the early texts a point where the distinction between the brāhmaṇ—the "sacerdotal" caste—and the ksatram or rajam—the warrior or regal caste—did not exist; a feature that we see in the earliest stages of all traditional civilizations, including the Greek, Roman, and German. The two types only began to differ in a later period, this being another aspect of the process of regression that we have mentioned.
    [Source: Evola, "The Doctrine of Awakening" p. 28]
    Whatever the case may be intellect is superior to action, even if united.

    We? Some of you, do, not all of us. I don't.
    For the finer, and racially tuned, of us, there is a great distinction between (Higher) Aryan (Solar) Traditon(s) and (Lower) Semitic (Lunar) Tradition(s)
    Evola is wrong to say that the intellectual component is lunar, for the intellectual is solar to lunar action.

    considering the typology of (spiritual) races, one can argue there isn't a one ´perennial philosophy´
    We are not talking about secondary forms, but rather universal principles. The Primordial Tradition was not really represented by forms. Doctrinal unity therefore does not refer to the secondary forms which are expressions characterized by race.

    Having noted that sacerdotality and warlike royalty were one and the same thing at their origin
    How can knowledge and action be the same thing?

    and that René Guénon fully acknowledged this fact,
    Only that the two functions were possessed by the same caste, but in the Golden Age there were no castes, only enlightened people, and everyone was their own ruler, for not having need of an external ruler.

    Evola wondered on what basis the French metaphysician could claim that the former was superior per se to the latter. This is is an issue which René Guénon never addressed,
    But he did address it and even wrote a book on it.

    It is necessary to point out that Guénon himself admitted to knowing nothing at all about Graeco-Roman culture.
    What? If he said as much it was out of charity. Evola owes all of his knowledge to Guenon; if not for him Evola would still be a theosophist or worse.

    In the same way, very few people seem to realise the absurd contradiction which follows from Guénon's views on this matter, which Julius Evola highlighted : "Guénon acknowledges that the tendency to action prevails in Western peoples.
    And by Western he always meant the Modern West.

    Given this state of affairs, one does not see how it can be affirmed that the only traditional form possible for the West is of the religious type (...) that a tradition of the religious type and, more generally, a tradition characterised by the assertion of the primacy of knowledge over action unilaterally considered should be the only conceivable basis for a reconstruction of the West appears problematic.
    Guenon regarded theological religion as incomplete as regards knowledge, which it substitutes with sentiment. Here is the problem with the Greco-Roman civilization; Evola actually refers to its decline, we know not of its original state. The sacerdotal and temporal function being almost solely of the rulers shows a dwindling of the elite and here is where sentimental religion came into play out of lack of pure intellectuality.

    I am White, patriarchal, Aryan, Western, Germanic and Nordic. You can conclude from that what is highest and right for me and my kin
    Knowledge is the father, whereas action is feminine; even Evola and his followers admit this.

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