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    Post Philosophical Discussion of David Lane's Precepts

    David Lane's 88 Precepts;

    http://www.solargeneral.com/library/88Precepts.pdf

    The 88 PRECEPTS

    1. Any religion or teaching which denies the Natural Laws of the Universe is false.

    2. Whatever People's perception of God, or the Gods, or the motive Force of the Universe might be, they can hardly deny that Nature's Laws are the work of, and therefore the intent of, that Force.

    3. God and religion are distinct, separate and often conflicting concepts. Nature evidences the divine plan, for the natural world is the work of the force or the intelligence men call God. Religion is the creation of mortals, therefore predestined to fallibility. Religion may preserve or destroy a People, depending on the structure given by its progenitors, the motives of its agents and the vagaries of historical circumstances.

    4. The truest form of prayer is communion with Nature. It is not vocal. Go to a lonely spot, if possible a mountain top, on a clear, star-lit night, ponder the majesty and order of the infinite macrocosm. Then consider the intricacies of the equally infinite microcosm.
    Understand that you are on the one hand inconsequential beyond comprehension in the size of things, and on the other hand, you are
    potentially valuable beyond comprehension as a link in destiny's chain. There you begin to understand how pride and self can co-exist with respect and reverence. There we find harmony with Nature and with harmony comes strength, peace and certainty.

    5. Secular power systems protect and promote religions, which concentrate on an afterlife. Thus, people are taught to abandon defenses against the predators of this life.

    6. History, both secular and religious, is a fable conceived in self-serving deceit and promulgated by those who perceive benefits.

    7. Religion in its most beneficial form is the symbology of a People and their culture. A multi-racial religion destroys the senses of uniqueness, exclusivity and value necessary to the survival of a race.

    8. What men call the "super natural" is actually the "natural" not yet understood or revealed.

    9. A proliferation of laws with the resultant loss of freedom is a sign of, and directly proportional to, spiritual sickness in a Nation.

    10. If a Nation is devoid of spiritual health and moral character, then government and unprincipled men will fill the vacancy. Therefore, freedom prospers in moral values and tyranny thrives in moral decay.

    11. Truth requires little explanation. Therefore, beware of verbose doctrines. The great principles are revealed in brevity.

    12. Truth does not fear investigation.

    13. Unfounded belief is a pitfall. A People who do not check the validity and effect of their beliefs with reason will suffer or perish.

    14. In accord with Nature's Laws, nothing is more right than the preservation of one's own race.

    15. No greater motivating force exists than the certain conviction that one is right.

    16. Discernment is a sign of a healthy People. In a sick or dying nation, civilization, culture or race, substance is abandoned in favor of appearance.

    17. Discernment includes the ability to recognize the difference between belief and demonstrable reality.

    18. There exists no such thing as rights or privileges under the Laws of Nature. The deer being stalked by a hungry lion has no right to life. However, he may purchase life by obedience to nature-ordained instincts for vigilance and flight. Similarly, men have no rights to life, liberty or happiness. These circumstances may be purchased by oneself, by one's family, by one's tribe or by one's ancestors, but they are nonetheless purchases and not rights. Furthermore, the value of these purchases can only be maintained through vigilance and obedience to Natural Law.

    19. A people who are not convinced of their uniqueness and value will perish.

    20.The White race has suffered invasions and brutality from Africa and Asia for thousands of years. For example, Attila and the Asiatic Huns who invaded Europe in the 5th century, raping, plundering and killing from the Alps to the Baltic and Caspian
    Seas. This scenario was repeated by the Mongols of Genghis Khan 800 years later. ( Note here that the American Indians are not "Native Americans," but are racially Mongolians.) In the 8th century, hundreds of years before Negroes were brought to America, the North African Moors of mixed racial background invaded and conquered Portugal, Spain and part of France. So, the attempted guilt-trip placed on the White race by civilization's executioners is invalid under both historical circumstance and the Natural Law which denies inter-species compassion. The fact is, all races have benefited immeasurably from the creative genius of the Aryan People.

    21. People who allow others not of their race to live among them will perish, because the inevitable result of a racial integration is racial inter-breeding which destroys the characteristics and existence of a race. Forced integration is deliberate and malicious genocide, particularly for a People like the White race, who are now a small minority in the world.

    22. In the final analysis, a race or species is not judged superior or inferior by its accomplishments, but by its will and ability to survive.

    23. Political, economic, and religious systems may be destroyed and resurrected by men, but the death of a race is eternal.

    24. No race of People can indefinitely continue their existence without territorial imperatives in which to propagate, protect, and promote their own kind.

    25. A People without a culture exclusively their own will perish.

    26. Nature has put a certain antipathy between races and species to preserve the individuality and existence of each. Violation of the
    territorial imperative necessary to preserve that antipathy leads to either conflict or mongrelization.

    27. It is not constructive to hate those of other races, or even those of mixed races. But a separation must be maintained for the survival of one's own race. One must, however, hate with a pure and perfect hatred those of one's own race who commit treason against one's own kind and against the nations of one's own kind. One must hate with a perfect hatred all those People or practices which destroy one's People, one's culture, or the racial exclusiveness of one's territorial imperative.

    28. The concept of a multi-racial society violates every Natural Law for species preservation.

    29. The concept of "equality" is declared a lie by every evidence of Nature. It is a search for the lowest common denominator, and its pursuit will destroy every superior race, nation or culture. In order for a plow horse to run as fast as a race horse you would first have to cripple the race horse; conversely, in order for a race horse to pull as much as a plow horse, you would first have to cripple the plow horse. In either case, the pursuit of equality is the destruction of excellence.

    30. The instincts for racial and species preservation are ordained by Nature.

    31. Instincts are Nature's perfect mechanism for the survival of each race and species. The human weakness of rationalizing situations for self-gratification must not be permitted to interfere with these instincts.

    32. Miscegenation, that is race-mixing, is and has always been, the greatest threat to the survival of the Aryan race.

    33. Inter-species compassion is contrary to the Laws of Nature and is, therefore, suicidal. If a wolf were to intercede to save a lamb from a lion, he would be killed. Today, we see the White man taxed so heavily that he cannot afford children. The taxes raised are then used to support the breeding of tens of millions of non-whites, many of whom then demand the last White females for breeding partners. As you can see, man is subject to all the Laws of Nature. This has nothing to do with morality, hatred, good or evil. Nature does not recognize the concepts of good and evil in inter-species relationships. If the lion eats the lamb, it is good for the lion and evil for the lamb. If the lamb escapes and the lion starves, it is good for the lamb and evil for the lion. So, we see the same incident is
    labelled both good and evil. This cannot be, for there are no contradictions within Nature's Laws.

    34. The instinct for sexual union is part of Nature's perfect mechanism for species preservation. It begins early in life and often continues until late in life. It must not be repressed; its purpose, reproduction, must not be thwarted either. Understand that for thousands of years our females bore children at an early age. Now, in an attempt to conform to and compete in an alien culture, they deny their Nature-ordained instincts and duties. Teach responsibility, but, also, have understanding. The life of a race springs from the wombs of its women. He who would judge must first understand the difference between what is good and what is right.

    35. Homosexuality is a crime against Nature. All Nature declares the purpose of the instinct for sexual union is reproduction and thus, preservation of the species. The overpowering male sex drive must be channeled toward possession of females of the same race, as well as elements such as territory and power, which are necessary to keep them.

    36. Sexual pornography degrades the Nature of all who are involved. A beautiful nude woman is art; a camera between her knees to explore her private parts is pornography.

    37. That race whose males will not fight to the death to keep and mate with their females will perish. Any White man with healthy instincts feels disgust and revulsion when he sees a woman of his race with a man of another race. Those, who today control the media and affairs of the Western World, teach that this is wrong and shameful. They label it "racism." As any "ism," for instance the word "nationalism," means to promote one's own nation; "racism" merely means to promote and protect the life of one's own
    race. It is, perhaps, the proudest word in existence. Any man who disobeys these instincts is anti-Nature.

    38. In a sick and dying nation, culture, race or civilization, political dissent and traditional values will be labeled and persecuted as heinous crimes by inquisitors clothing themselves in jingoistic patriotism.

    39. A People who are ignorant of their past will defile the present and destroy the future.

    40. A race must honor above all earthly things, those who have given their lives or freedom for the preservation of the folk.

    41. The folk, namely the members of the Race, are the Nation. Racial loyalties must always supersede geographical and national boundaries. If this is taught and understood, it will end fratricidal wars. Wars must not be fought for the benefit of another race.

    42. The Nations' leaders are not rulers, they are servants and guardians. They are not to serve for personal gain. Choose only a guardian who has no interest in the accumulation of material things.

    43. Choose and judge your leaders, also called guardians, thus: Those who seek always to limit the power of government are of good heart and conscience. Those who seek to expand the power of government are base tyrants.

    44. No government can give anything to anybody without first taking it from another. Government is, by its very nature, legalized taking. A limited amount of government is a necessary burden for national defense and internal order. Anything more is counter-productive to freedom and liberty.

    45. The organic founding Law, namely the Constitution of a Nation, must not be amendable by any method other than unanimous consent of all parties thereto and with all parties present. Otherwise, the doors are opened for the advent of that most dangerous and deadly form of government, democracy.

    46. In a democracy those who control the media, and thus the minds of the electorate, have power undreamed by kings or dictators.

    47. The simplest way to describe a democracy is this: Three people form a government, each having one vote. Then two of them vote to steal the wealth of the third.

    48. The latter stages of a democracy are filled with foreign wars, because the bankrupt system attempts to preserve itself by plundering other nations.

    49. In a democracy that which is legal is seldom moral, and that which is moral is often illegal.

    50. A democracy is always followed by a strongman... some call him a dictator. It is the only way to restore order out of the chaos caused by a democracy. Pick your strongman wisely! He must be a guardian in his heart. He must be one who has shown that his only purpose in life is the preservation of the folk. His ultimate aim must be to restore the rule of Law based on the perfect Laws of Nature. Do not choose him by his words. Choose one who has sacrificed all in the face of tyranny; choose one who has endured and persevered. This is the only reliable evidence of his worthiness and motives.

    51. A power system will do anything, no matter how corrupt or brutal, to preserve itself.

    52. Tyrannies cannot be ended without use of force.

    53. Those who commit treason disguise their deeds in proclamations of patriotism.

    54. Propaganda is a major component in all power systems, both secular and religious; false propaganda is a major component of unprincipled power systems. All power systems endeavor to convince their subjects that the system is good, just, beneficent and noble, as well as worthy of perpetuation and defense. The more jingoistic propaganda issued, the more suspicious one should be of its truth.

    55. Political power, in the final analysis, is created and maintained by force.

    56. A power system, secular or religious, which employs extensive calls to patriotism or requires verbosity and rhetoric for its preservation, is masking tyranny.

    57. Propaganda is a legitimate and necessary weapon in any struggle. The elements of successful propaganda are: simplicity, emotion, repetition, and brevity. Also, since men believe what they want to believe, and since they want to believe that which they perceive as beneficial to themselves, then successful propaganda must appeal to the perceived self-interest of those to whom it is disseminated.

    58. Tyrannies teach what to think; free men learn how to think.

    59. Beware of men who increase their wealth by the use of words. Particularly beware of the lawyers or priests who deny Natural Law.

    60. The patriot, being led to the inquisition's dungeons or the executioner's axe will be condemned the loudest by his former friends and allies; for thus they seek to escape the same fate.

    61. The sweet Goddess of Peace lives only under the protective arm of the ready God of War.

    62. The organic founding Law of a Nation must state with unmistakable and irrevocable specificity the identity of the homogeneous racial, cultural group for whose welfare it was formed, and that the continued existence of the Nation is singularly for all time for the welfare of that specific group only.

    63. That race or culture which lets others influence or control any of the following will perish:
    1) organs of information
    2) educational institutions
    3) religious institutions
    4) political offices
    5) creation of their money
    6) judicial institutions
    7) cultural institutions
    8) economic life

    64. Just Laws require little explanation. Their meaning is irrevocable in simplicity and specificity.

    65. Men's emotions are stirred far more effectively by the spoken word than by the written word. This is why a ruling tyranny will react more violently to gatherings of dissenters than to books or pamphlets.

    66. The organic founding Law of the Nation, or any law, is exactly as pertinent as the will and power to enforce it.

    67. An unarmed or non-militant People will be enslaved.

    68. Some say the pen is more powerful than the sword. Perhaps so. Yet, the word without the sword has no authority.

    69. Tyrannies are usually built step by step and disguised by noble rhetoric.

    70. The difference between a terrorist and a patriot is control of the press.

    71. The judgments of the guardians, the leaders, must be true to Natural Law and tempered by reason.

    72. Materialism is base and destructive. The guardians of a Nation must constantly warn against and combat a materialistic spirit in the Nation. Acquisition of wealth and property, as is needed for the well-being of one's family and obtained by honorable means, is right and proper. Exploitation, particularly through usury, is destructive to the nation.

    73. Materialism leads men to seek artificial status through wealth or property. True social status comes from service to Family, Race and Nation.

    74. Materialism ultimately leads to conspicuous, unnecessary consumption, which in turn leads to the rape of Nature and destruction of the environment. It is unnatural. The true guardians of the Nations must be wholly untainted by materialism.

    75. The function of a merchant or salesman is to provide a method of exchange. A merchant who promotes unnecessary consumption and materialism must not be tolerated.

    76. The only lawful functions of money are as a medium of exchange and a store of value. All other uses including social engineering, speculation, inflation and especially usury are unlawful. Usury (interest) at any percentage is a high crime which cannot be tolerated.

    77. A nation with an aristocracy of money, lawyers or merchants will become a tyranny.

    78. The simplest way to describe a usury-based central banking system is this: The bankers demand the property of the Nation as collateral for their loans. At interest, more money is owed them than they created with the loans. So, eventually, the bankers foreclose on the Nation.

    79. Usury (interest), inflation, and oppressive taxation are theft by deception and destroy the moral fabric of the Nation.

    80. Wealth gained without sacrifices or honest labor will usually be misused.

    81. Nothing in Nature is static; either the life force grows and expands or it decays and dies.

    82. Respect must be earned; it cannot be demanded or assumed.

    83. Avoid a vexatious man, for his venom will poison your own nature.

    84. Self discipline is a mark of a higher man.

    85. One measure of a man is cheerfulness in adversity.

    86. A fool judges others by their words. A wise man judges others by their actions and accomplishments.

    87. In our relationships or interactions, as in all of Nature's Laws, to each action there is a reaction. That which we plant will be harvested, if not by ourselves, then by another.

    88. These are sure signs of a sick or dying Nation. If you see any of them, your guardians are committing treason:

    1) mixing and destruction of the founding race
    2) destruction of the family units
    3) oppressive taxation
    4) corruption of the Law
    5) terror and suppression against those who warn of the Nation's error
    6) immorality: drugs, drunkenness, etc.
    7) infanticide (now called abortion)
    8) destruction of the currency (inflation or usury)
    9) aliens in the land, alien culture
    10) materialism
    11) foreign wars
    12) guardians (leaders) who pursue wealth or glory
    13) homosexuality
    14) religion not based on Natural Law
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    I am not an American-style White Nationalist, or even a huge admirer of Mr. Lane, but his 88 Precepts do contain a lot of distilled wisdom. My favourites are numbers 8, 12 and 58.

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    The puritanical dogma scattered throughout directly contradicts the bits about harmony with nature and openness to truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loddfafner View Post
    The puritanical dogma scattered throughout directly contradicts the bits about harmony with nature and openness to truth.
    Please elaborate on this. I don't see any contradictions here personally, but I'm really interested in understanding your perspective.

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    He, like most white supremacists do more to destroy the white race than to preserve it.

    I'm typing quickly so this isn't as eloquent as I could make it and thus maybe not as neat a package as Lane's argument but just to tough the fallacies of this thinking (I used to think this way but I grew out of it, but I see that %99 of racialists online are stuck with this way of thinking):

    Firstly most of what he says is just the recycled words of Hitler. Secondly it is based on many primitive assumptions that aren't true. Basically he says that any race which doesn't fight for its survival will die. Well true, but race is a relative concept. Most people really don't care. He has the same fallacies of most white supremacists. They believe that everybody should think like them.

    He also bases his philosophy on hate which is not a sustainable way of life.

    One example I read David Lane's Wotanist book. It had nothing about religion in it. A few parts of it sounded really inspiring because he mostly just memorizes the words of Hitler and then repeats them, but the book really didn't speak of religion hardly at all. It just kept repeating "we need to save the white race... the white race is in danger... fight for the white race" the whole sum of everything he says and all his writings boil down to that. There is no other substance to them whatsoever. He can spin it into something intelligent sounding on the surface but when you poke and prod and start to think about what he says- there simply is no substance.

    Of course if you feel a need to save the white race or whatever you may get inspired or worked up by his words, but hatred and criminal actions is not the answer in life.

    Quoting Lane himself:

    13. Unfounded belief is a pitfall. A People who do not check the validity and effect of their beliefs with reason will suffer or perish.

    Why do you believe so strongly in the preservation of the white race? This is something that should take a normal racialist a lot of soul searching and can't be answered quickly. I know I used to feel a lot more racial as I saw the race as a preservation of myself, but I now realize most whites are nothing like me.

    Or think David Lane believes "might makes right". The fact that he is a failure in life would indicate that he is wrong.

    Check the effects of Lanes' belief: killing people, theft, terrorism, and a failed life.

    14. In accord with Nature's Laws, nothing is more right than the preservation of one's own race.

    Why? Race is a relative concept to begin with. The folk define the folk. You see some random white guy on the street as "your race" and want to protect that race. He does not consider his race in the same terms.

    Why do you want to thusly "preserve him"? Lane and most racists don't. They have learned to get smart and hide the hate but in reality they are selfish people.
    In fact everyone gets on everyone elses nerves at some time. But the price we pay for being civilized is we have to respect the law and respect other people.

    There is no law preventing you from creating a white community. Or a white social club.

    I have tried repeatedly to get people together to form a community. They don't want to do it. They will scream at others, threaten them, hate other people, want to take over the government and force everybody to live the way they want them to live or if someone isn't pleasing to look at they may want to shoot them in the face but come on!

    Admittedly a lot of what he says rings true. It is well written. But you sell a lie by mixing it with truth and wrapping it up in a good package.

    But take this:


    41. The folk, namely the members of the Race, are the Nation. Racial loyalties must always supersede geographical and national boundaries. If this is taught and understood, it will end fratricidal wars. Wars must not be fought for the benefit of another race.

    This carries the assumption that God layed down three or four distinct races of man and all that must be done is to keep them from mixing with each other and they will be preserved. It is a false view. I'm a folkist, I'm not a multicultural propagandist Jew out to destroy the white race. It's just true. I would have to brief you in basic genetics, but if you think about it you can realize it yourself. For one even pure bred whites are not the same as their ancestors beause of genetic drift. Races evolved and were not created which makes purity relative. I don't deny race exists but it is in the eye of the beholder. Human communities define themselves. If you believe so and so is your race that is fine, but again why force this on other people that don't feel the same way you do? Why is what everyone else is doing so important to you that you can't live your own life?
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    I'm not gonna stand up for David Lane, and I agree with your idea of the sensible and non-violent approach, whenever possible, Rainman.

    However, I think the entire race issue is well beyond emotionalism and basic moralism, it's also politics, about a stabile society, for instance. It's not like we had/have a say in the migration matter in the first place. Thus I can't see our obligation to form small communities (on the fringe of society), not even from an ethical perspective, which is, not a new start, but a dead end, the way things are going. Why hand over politics to the cultural Marxists, the multicultists, globalists, opportunists and banksters? Why should I go for their 'notion of race' - or else go live in a small closed community, which is a practical impossibility in Europe.

    Multicultural life is indeed being pressed upon us, and not in the most democratic manner by less than 'democratic' institutions, and a revolution (not terrorism) to overthrow these utterly corrupt, demonic powerstructures of the West would be in my eyes justified - correct me if I'm wrong, but I think there's a growing notion in America too, that there should be a second revolution.

    It seems a mistake to think that anybody can retreat into a community, whether being done out of misplaced sentiment or practical necessity. That's a freightful underestemation of the state and its current doctrines.
    If communities like that would somehow be succesful, the forces of Leviathan would muster at it ports and put an end to it - whatever the laws of your nation might be. In that light should the attachment of a US army brigade to Homeland security raise a red flag, it's also highly unconstitutional.

    What respect is coming from the globalist forces? Is it the respect from AFA thugs, more often than not officially funded by the government, trying to make a nationalist's life miserable? If the law is respected at times, it is also because the law is being rewritten to suit an elitist agenda.

    I know of no medium in my country that is not a bulwark of the progressive bourgeosie - yet I don't think I should stop reading papers or television, and move to a place where modernity can't touch me.

    Instead, the truly 'democratic' and moral thing to do, is to oppose the machine before the machine consumes us.

    Racialism is also politics, or it can be just that. Hate, love, I don't care for anyone's motives, what's important is the outcome of day to day politics.
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    You read me wrong. I don't speak of retreating and isolating oneself (only if you wish).

    The majority of people don't think like you do or even I do. It's a reality you have to live with. While you'd like to change the whole nation or world toward your views, the majority don't see it that way. It isn't that we need to "wake up" a bunch of whites, they simply don't care. You want to "save" a race that doesn't exist. As a white racialist you are the minority. That isn't giving the country over to others, it's just a reality you have to deal with.

    Jews organize themselves into groups and organizations. They dominate society. There's no reason you couldn't have a similar organizational structure if it was made up of capable men and women. Most wealthy white people are benefitting from multiculturalism in reality and that's why they support it. .

    I'm saying the main focus should be to uplift yourself rather than to tear down others. A philosophy that focuses on destroying others will never be successful, never has. I'm not non-violent. Defend yourself when you have to. Attack when its necessary. But don't have a philosophy that centers around violence. You destroy yourself with such.

    I used to buy into the whole "the devil made me do it" arguments. I don't buy it anymore. White people are for the most part who are responsible for the destruction of the white race. Really I don't think the white race is dying but rather being transformed; going through a bottleneck. Most of them are mixing with other races. Most of the upper class is become very Jewish.

    Build communities of people like you. The average white (lemming) next door is not your brother. For better or worse they don't agree with you that preserving their race is important. So why try to force your ways on them? It only weakens your cause. You have to have a community to save. You want to save a race that isn't even there anymore. In a couple hundred years the majority of people will be mixed race. They don't see that as a bad thing. They aren't on your team or your people. They are just people trying to live their lives who could care less if their grandchildren are a little browner.

    People hate because they are powerless. Because they are weak and scared. Do you think the %2 minority of Jews who control a disproportinate amount of wealth and media in the U.S. "hate" the other races? No. They are making a profit off of them. Do you think that the wealthy white people "hate" these races? No. Same thing.

    Instead of blaming others in life blame yourself and you will be a lot more successful.

    Private communities are all over the place. Most of them are based on wealth.

    I understand the social issues at hand. As far as race, we can't go back into the middle ages. We live in a modern world around other people. Travel is common, migration etc. It isn't practical to have a giant nation that is of one race. I can understand maybe the idea of a small white only nation (like an Aryan version of Israel- white nationalism). Or an "invisidble nation" with large communities under its control. Anyway there will always be people different from you in the next village over or across the street or in a public area. That's life. You can create private communities, clubs, events etc. so that you can avoid that if you need to.

    You aren't oppressed in anyway. Society isn't poor.


    I know its a problem. The nations are going downhill.
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    I despise WN and David Lane and anyone who tries to define a folk by purely biological components, which are often so distinct on a spiritual, cultural and, indeed, even biological level that they can only be glued together in a liberal-individualist system like the one we are approaching now and that has been in place in the United States for some time already, but if I wanted to keep hearing about Stormfront, I would probably visit Stormfront, which I don't. It would pay off to find out what this place really is first and 4 year old threads from another era, and perhaps another board that has been merged into this, are not exactly the way to do it, in my opinion.

    I agree that political systems should not be designed to suit the needs of failures or even purely personal needs and I also agree that there are people who are nevertheless motivated by their failure to adapt to the liberal-capitalist system. My interest in those people ends there, however, and I am much more fascinated by the question where this system produces a favorable outcome and where it does not. For example, I see it as a major deficiency that personal success generally results in fewer children (which is less of a problem if that person does not belong to my ethnic group) combined with personal wealth that rewards this. This problem can not be solved by becoming as rich, successful and childless, it is systemic and it is warranted to think about the great scheme of things instead of clinging to some absurd notion that everyone just has to pursue his own happiness within the US constitution or the Grundgesetz or whatever people may call the piece of paper that defines the basic order structure of their political system.

    This board is not a WN board, but there are many views expressed here within the framework of Germanic ethnic, spiritual and cultural preservation and my anti-liberal (in the Hobbesian sense) views are just one variety. There are tribalists, primitivists, folkish spiritualists, conservatives, libertarians, traditionalists, national communists, social democrats, nationalists, nationalsocialists, pan-Germanists etc. It is a bit off-putting to recognize that a sequence of posts is written under the general assumption that we are some kind of Stormfront clone. Please reconsider.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rainman View Post
    He, like most white supremacists do more to destroy the white race than to preserve it.
    Out of pure curiosity; how so?


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    I know I used to feel a lot more racial as I saw the race as a preservation of myself, but I now realize most whites are nothing like me.
    It seems you are nothing like me, but yet here we are on a preservationist board.

    Why is that?


    I won't bore you with my experiences, but there is a wealth of disgruntled 'whitemen' out there who will more than likely define themselves as white first and English second. Being Germanic and preserving it would not be high up on there knowledge.

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    Why do you want to thusly "preserve him"? Lane and most racists don't.
    ? Contradiction. Please explain.

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    Most wealthy white people are benefitting from multiculturalism in reality and that's why they support it. It isn't hurting them and they don't identify themselves much with failures in life.
    Stick them in amongst a black community, or a Muslim enclave.

    Will they benefit then? Or will they fight and struggle to keep their head over the water mark, too?

    Quote Originally Posted by rainman View Post
    You aren't oppressed in anyway. Society isn't poor.
    'Wealthy' whites are usually middle class and over. Middle class occupations are not over run by a horde of immigrants all vying for the jobs which this economy struggles to provide.

    You want the whites to do as you say, then get the jobs for us.

    You got a job? Give us a job, go on! Give us a job. I could do that! Give us a job!
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    David Lane's Precepts were stickied in this section as an example of a set of Moral/Ethical guidelines.

    They were not presented as the Ten Commandments.

    As this is a philosophy section I think they should be critiqued purely on those grounds rather than using the thread to make ad hominem attacks against David Lane and "'WN's".

    For me the Precepts are an interesting attempt to lay down a detailed moral framework - we need more such attempts.

    Let those who reject these Precepts put up their own alternatives or amendments to them on this thread rather than dwell on the Silent Brotherhood etc.,
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