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Thread: Do You Mourn The Ascent From Primitivism?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GroeneWolf View Post
    First of all, the contents of the link is radical different from the last time I checked it. Second, you do know that the Oeralinda Book is considered a forgery.
    Hrrrm, I knew something was itching my brain about that title... then I remembered that so-called 'Daughters of Frya' site that made the rounds on pagan forums multiple times.

    Face, meet palm. You're going to be GOOD friends.

    Forgery or not, though, it's still an interesting read.
    An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LadyFirehawk View Post
    Hrrrm, I knew something was itching my brain about that title... then I remembered that so-called 'Daughters of Frya' site that made the rounds on pagan forums multiple times.
    Wulfhere's little cult, yes.

    Forgery or not, though, it's still an interesting read.
    Probably it is, since it gives an insight in a part of the Frisian movement during a certain time.
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    Sometimes I do, but most of the time I think it is best that our race has achieved greatness through our innovative, imaginative, and inventive minds. Why should we be stuck in a primal status when we can achieve greatness with the sky (the Universe!) as our limit?

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    What's the meaning of the theme. I have problems to understand this how it's written. I am from Germany and i do know a little Englisch, but not all. Can they explain it to me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ædiruc View Post
    Sometimes I do, but most of the time I think it is best that our race has achieved greatness through our innovative, imaginative, and inventive minds. Why should we be stuck in a primal status when we can achieve greatness with the sky (the Universe!) as our limit?
    It must have been splendid living a hunter-gatherer mode of existance in the wilderness back in the early bronze age and ice age. Especially being one of our neantherthal and CroMagnon crossed ancestors competing for mammoth amongst the ice sheets.

    I'm still very thankful for what coming out of those melted ice sheets and ice age and those strict and harsh changes in climate and those eco-systems have given us. Our inventive and innovative minds are a result of going through the above mentioned mode of life and enviroment, there are some very dogmatic and materialistic scientists who will credit the limits mankind has pushed with an ape ancestor who ate and tripped on some magic mushrooms.

    Nevertheless and ignoring the quacks and crackpots, I would never trade our innovative minds and having the skies and universe as a possible next frontier for anything.
    "What is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil." Friedrich Nietzche

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    I don't think it is a either/or question.

    Technology has certainly its advantages. It produces way more security (also propably more of what is really necessary) but we got locked up in it.

    If we go into nature for a while we look like going on the moon. Our technology/civilisation is a lifeline we can't live without.

    Certainly the modern people have lost their connection to nature. They run through it and they don't see anything. All animals run away or run for cover when humans approach. Because they are aliens to nature. That hasn't necessarily to be like that.

    The old rituals our ancestors had are still alive or close to the experience of people. Revive it and use it. Have reverence for nature and see the animals by slowing down and sit and wait. Rushing through nature is not seeing anything at all.

    If one loses ones feeling for time and becomes like a child to explore whatever one finds interesting one is getting closer and closer to it.

    In the olden times, people were the stewards of the earth. They helped whereever it was necessary. It was not exploitative but in harmony with nature and mother earth.

    I know that hunters in Germany still place a bloodsoaked twig into a mouth of a hunted dear, an ancient hunter would also pray for the animals spirit and give offerings of thanks and gratefulness for the sacrifice of life. Compare that to the industrialized slaughterhouses you will see the horror of it all.

    Once I have seen a slaughterhouse were the live cattle went in. On the backside they had transmission belt were the bones came out and were put into a waste container. It shocked me, to see the industrialization of something sacred like death.

    To reconnect is not that difficult, you simply have to get away from the TV and cities and go out.

    It makes me more aware as I don't see just green anymore but an abundance of different plants, who struggle, florish, replace each other, deal with the animal life and so on and on. I see insects in a monumental fight, I see the ruts animals have, their connectedness/awareness and so on. It is a world of wonder.

    If you expose yourself, yes, jump into that sump and feel it. Reality is getting much closer as in a protected cvilized environment. Soak yourself in that world. The wilderness will finally penetrate you and change you. If you are not in harmony with it, it is harsh, if you live in harmony with it, it is rapture.

    I think through reconnecting we can become stewards of the earth too without giving up our conveniences. We simply have to change our way to look at things. Both combined and in tune with each other can be a an awarding life experience. Now we lack either this or that and it doesn't have to be like this.
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    I think that to answer this question truthfully, to both myself and both sides who may bring pro and anti arguments to the table, we should just ask ourselves this: "did it work? because if it did, then do not fix it".

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    I do envy the simpler life...working for you and yours, rather than to line someone else's pockets...I also do enjoy some modern convieniences. However, I think I would have been more than happy to live a life of foraging for my family's good. This may sound crazy, but I have had dreams of modern people returning to a simpler life...I think this world is going to change soon. And it may be for the better...

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