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    Quote Originally Posted by Guðrún View Post
    Racially mixed people don't belong anywhere. They're examples of destroyed identity.
    But that´s no reason to allow them here among us. I wouldn´t accept them in my home village either.

    Ethnically mixed people can´t be preservationists because they have nothing what´s worth of preservation. Sure, it´s not their fault that they´re mixed but we must be consistent with our views and ideals. I´m not talking about mixed Celt/Germanic people, of course, since both are of Central/Northern European heritage. A sort of preservation is possible in such cases.

    "Judge of your natural character by what you do in your dreams" - Ralph Waldo Emerson

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    Ah well, Stimme, you inherit more from your father than you think.

    I for example have inherited a certain acidity, always nagging at everything around me. A certain "Well, I point our your mistakes, you point out mine. Then we shouldn't make any mistakes. Deal?" And many other things, like loving to talk, being slightly megalomanic, dreaming of meeting world leaders and tell them what they should do, such things...

    Oh yes, and a tendency to exaggerate things, using a lot of gesture and mimics...

    Act first, think later...

    Because it's more fun, you know? The biggest danger in life is to bore yourself.

    The list goes on and on...

    "Judge of your natural character by what you do in your dreams"
    If you dream of yourself, that gives you a clue... my dreams are like David Lynch's films, the last noticeable one I had was a cat walk performance of al Quaeda terrorists demonstrating explosive belts to some rather groovy music in front of a relaxed crowd (of other members) that was chatting away during it.

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    This certainly leaves room for dream interpretation but it is wrong to assume you inherit your character from your father. If this was correct, then why does your character change as you develop?

    The reason for your character being similar to your father's can be explained with a strong connection you two developed. While he raised you he had a strong influence on your behaviour.
    The Indians did not stop the flood of immigrants - today they live in reservations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie View Post
    Ethnically mixed people can´t be preservationists because they have nothing what´s worth of preservation. Sure, it´s not their fault that they´re mixed but we must be consistent with our views and ideals. I´m not talking about mixed Celt/Germanic people, of course, since both are of Central/Northern European heritage. A sort of preservation is possible in such cases.
    Speaking of being consistent with your ideas, you seem to have a double standard. Celts are not Germanic, so Celto-Germanics are ethnically mixed too. Besides your country has Latin infusion in the South and Slavic infusion in the North. Eastern Germans and Prussians are Slavic in origin.

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    I think ethnically mixed people can be preservationists. They can preserve the heritage of the ethnicity they identify with most. If they are very mixed and living in a New World country, like some Americans are, they can look to adopt the predominant Anglo-Germanic identity of the country. It's more difficult if one is racially mixed. The foreign ancestor would have to be many, many generations back, like 1/256.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guðrún View Post
    Mixed people can't be preservationist, but they can help by speaking about the disadvantages of race mixing. Racially mixed people don't belong anywhere. They're examples of destroyed identity.
    I agree with the first sentence: As half-breeds experience the consequences of interbreeding first hand, there is a good chance that they will also be able to explain these consequences to the multiculti-mainstream.

    The second and third sentence probably go too far. Always the concrete case has to be considered, the racial gap between the parents. It is true that half-breeds may not have a strong collective identity (that's the form of identity we are presently talking about in my view), but often their strong need to belong makes them better defenders of occidental cultural values than their purer countrymen. At least they often tend to display such behaviour in order to satisfy their need to be accepted by the community they live in. I know of several examples in the town in which I reside.

    However, being a defender of occidental cultural values does not imply these people also have any racial awareness, even less that they are good preservationists, as they tend to look at social phenomena while abstracting from the natural fundaments of the latter, such socio-constructivism being the poisonous inheritance we owe to the members of the 1968-generation.

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    It's questions like this that forced me to realize some very important points that few people seem to understand:

    a) there is no race without a racial community that you are a part of.
    Let's say you are white and your neighbor black. But you aren't part of any tribe or group that seperates itself. In the end you two are the same race, just with different genetics and different ancestors. Although we often say "race" to mean ancestry it is not correct technically. Eventually being part of the same folk community will mix the blood. If the blood doesn't mix then the culture will change the blood anyway. As as Jung said a foreign culture will change a person. It will affect the blood over generations. Consider all the wiggers out there. Consider evolution and that a Germanic culture will favor Germanic individuals and a Wigger culture favor more Wigger like individuals. It will change the genetics.
    As Hitler said "putting negroes in the rhine valley neccessarily leads to miscgenation"

    b) There are gradients within a race. It must be this way to have a healthy race. You have the elite, the commoners, and the outsiders. In old society the Jarls, Karls, and Thralls. In Third Reich the SS elite, the citizens, and the subjects. We can accept a lot of people into our race but they aren't ideal. The ideal must outbreed the average people and just refresh and renew the bloodline. If a person is mixed but is similar enough to conform to the community he can be a member, just as an imperfect Germanic can be a member. The mixing is seen as a genetic defect similar to someone having crooked teeth or low I.Q. If there are too many defects the person must be cast out of the community. Obviously what you mix with makes a big difference. Mixing with a black person is different than a Celt. Mixing with an intelligent successful person is different than a failure.

    Mixed people can either attach themselves to the ethnicity they identify most with and be imperfect examples of that, or they can start a new ethnicity that is mixed and containes traits from both parents (like modern Brazillians being their own race).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychonaut View Post
    I've only met one mixed race person who was interested in Germanic preservation. He was half Indonesian and half American Scot/Irish/German mix. I felt very sorry for him, but was at a loss as to what kind of advice to give him.
    Your friend would make a good Janissary for the Germanic Army.

    He could still fight for our cause in a special mixed battalion, and since he is not pure, he could give his life in battle and contribute that way.


    In this way he could eliminate our enemy in battle, while ensuring by his noble death in battle that he would not miscegenate with a pure Germanic.

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    jspas,

    Thank you for an excellent, informative and well-written post. I do have one question for clarification. You said,

    ...because natural instinct will inhibit such behaviour to the exact right degree ...
    I was wondering if you could elaborate on what you mean. It seems like SO many factors go into attraction that it would be difficult to get a handle on the influence of "natural instinct" (with respect to mixing), as opposed to... well, any number of other things that determine why one person is attracted to another, ranging from sheer exposure in the community to trying to make mommy and daddy mad to fixation on repeating specific past relationships an individual has had, and so on. When seen at the individual level, the reasons for attraction are usually enormously complex, are they not?

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    The problem in Germany is that people hate themselves.

    If they loved who they are that would lead to an adequate behaviour concerning the mixing of races, with exposure being not artificially heightened.

    It is true that in the past there has been a social suppression of mixing, even mixing between different villages, with not so good outcomes in that special case... meaning, I do believe (I didn't conduct studies) that the main reason for people to mate is indeed their expectation to produce healthy and talented offspring. I do even believe that people would consider the social situation as a whole, while doing it, if they had love for their society.

    At least that's what I usually hear, when I talk about this issue with other people. They will say: "Well, you have to think about the children."

    So I don't believe that extra social suppression (meaning beyond society's interest in healthy, goodnatured and talented, according to its own idea of what that means, children) is necessary.

    And if a number of German people, for instance, would decide to mate with Spanish people, I would trust their good judgment to do so.

    There has always been mixing. And still we exist.

    And part of that Jürgen Rieger did explain quite well in his talk about race and racism (it's on YouTube, but in German). I will repeat some details:

    1. If you're not white and the sun doesn't shine much, you'll get rachitis.
    2. If the weather is cold and wet and your nose is short, you'll have a heightened risk of pneumonia.
    3. If the weather is Siberia like cold and your nose is too big, it will freeze off.
    4. If your skin is too fair and the sun shines too much, you'll get skin cancer.
    5. If you live in Greenland and eat nothing but meat and are not immune against scurvy, like the Inuit are, you will die.

    So... what's the big problem with believing that nature brought us forth and nature will sustain us, if we don't meddle with it?

    But I guess, a certain element of faith does remain.

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