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    Quote Originally Posted by Stimme View Post
    A little thought experiment:

    Imagine an empty glass. Pour a bit of water into it. Now pour a bit of Coca Cola into it. The liquid becomes light brown. Now pour more water into the glass. The brown becomes lighter and lighter. Proceed long enough and the brown colour ceases to exist.

    Mixed people could support Germanic preservation if they decide to mix with Nordics only (and teach their children to do so, as well).
    Sounds very unnecessary. It would be much easier if the un-mixed kept breeding with each other and the mixed just didn't mix.

    You're basically promoting race-mixing, surprising.

    Quote Originally Posted by Matrix View Post
    Scandinavia was originally Nordic. Alpines are not native there. As for the mixes, any mix between different races is undesirable. Alpines are a stabilized blend between Armenoid and Lappoid, what is Germanic about them?.
    Then you shouldn't worry about the Alpines, the East-Baltid with Lappoid admixture is a much bigger threat to the Nordic subrace in Scandinavia. (If we only think of the "white" people)

    And by the way, Cro-Magnids has probably always existed along side Nordids in Scandinavia. When did they come, if else?

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    This idea has certain flaws, yes. The foreign liquid (=genes) would never completely cease to exist but they'll be minimized every further generation.

    But how many pure people do we still have, anyways? The population is damaged. The liquid idea is a way to fix it.
    The Indians did not stop the flood of immigrants - today they live in reservations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stimme View Post
    This idea has certain flaws, yes. The foreign liquid (=genes) would never completely cease to exist but they'll be minimized every further generation.

    But how many pure people do we still have, anyways? The population is damaged. The liquid idea is a way to fix it.
    So it's ok for Heidi Klum's and Seal's baby to marry a German when it grows up?

    As I said, it depends on the mix.

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    They can marry whom they want, but I would prefer to see them minimizing Seal's genes rather than Heidi's. But since their mother does not seem to have a racial consciousness, they will most likely follow her example and mix with some racially completely different person (maybe a Chinese one).
    The Indians did not stop the flood of immigrants - today they live in reservations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stimme View Post
    This idea has certain flaws, yes. The foreign liquid (=genes) would never completely cease to exist but they'll be minimized every further generation.

    But how many pure people do we still have, anyways? The population is damaged. The liquid idea is a way to fix it.

    So what scenario would be more effective?

    1. We have a group of 2 Germanics and 1 that is mixed Caucasian and Negroid. The 2 Germanics get together and have 10 children in a 15 years
    time and the children have a strong identity. The mixed moves to Brazil and lives a decent life among similar people.

    1. We have a group of 2 Germanics and 1 that is mixed Caucasian and Negroid. 1 Germanic and the mixed get together and have som mixed children while the other Germanic sits and rolls his/hers thumbs. The mixed tell the kids that Germanics are great however you are mixed and thus lesser than a Germanic. The children are depressed and remain so for the rest of their lives but get children with several Germanics. The story repeats itself each generation, and never really ends since no child will ever know if he is pure enough to be considered a Germanic, which he has heard it is so great to be.

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    It would be much more effective if 2 pure Germanics mixed, of course, Méldmir. But this is not the question of this thread. The question is what unpure people can do.
    The Indians did not stop the flood of immigrants - today they live in reservations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stimme View Post
    It would be much more effective if 2 pure Germanics mixed, of course, Méldmir. But this is not the question of this thread. The question is what unpure people can do.
    Well, the problem is that if a mixed gets a Germanic partner, someone who is Germanic is less likely to find himself/herself a partner if that Germanic has been taken, so that is why I am against your idea.

    Also, the thing is that Germanics or even Europeans could never outbreed all non-whites on earth, so it falls on that point as well. Even if Heidi Klums child marries a Germanic, sure, maybe in 10 generations we could say that Heidi Klums family "outbred" one single non-white, the problem is that there are still billions of more non-whites out there and not near so many whites. That is why that tactic isn't worth it in the end.

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    Mixed people can't be preservationist, but they can help by speaking about the disadvantages of race mixing. Racially mixed people don't belong anywhere. They're examples of destroyed identity.

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    Since you are asking in biological terms... back crossing has always been an important method in breeding.

    Take for instance blue eyes. They go back to a single mutation within a man who lived ca. 8000 years before Christ. Naturally, he mated with a brown eyed woman and their kids thus had green eyes.

    The English rime goes: "Our eyes are green, grey and blue and we're not like you!" and not "Our eyes are blue." That is for a good reason, both in terms of genetic variance and in social terms. It would be quite awkward if parents would have to abandon a child, because it happens to have the eye colour of a grand parent.

    Eye colour is also a good example that a trait that humans like (shiny, shiny... my precious...) will not easily get lost from our gene pool, because it constitutes a significant selective advantage.

    But back to back crossing. There would be no pomello today, if grape fruit and orange couldn't have been back crossed to it. Actually... considering how little flesh the pomello has percentage wise, I wouldn't consider it much of a loss, but the point is that the idea that crossing always means averaging is incorrect, since both grape fruit and orange are much smaller than a pomello.

    Keeping that in mind, one shouldn't jump to conclusions about the end of certain traits too easily.

    Well, I provided that for context.

    People in charge today mix races systematically and are doing it for various reasons. That is completely unnatural and I don't support it. Natural is the key word though.

    It is misguided to try to deal with matters of the evolution of races in qualitative terms, it is by far better to do so in quantitative terms.

    That means, you shouldn't think about laws against the mixing of races or such, but instead remove the systematic incentives for races to mix, because natural instinct will inhibit such behaviour to the exact right degree and you should not meddle with that.

    If you did that, then the answer to your original question is that mixed people could do whatever they wanted, because it would not be a problem either way. Well, they would have to find a partner. And it would be more difficult for them. But that's all as nature intended it.

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    In the situation as it is now... well... someone spoke of Brazil. That is certainly an option. Being "raped" by the people who make the rules, there is of course considerable tension amongst people of pure blood against people of mixed blood, though it certainly isn't the latter's fault. I do not envy them, but the truth is: there's hardly anyone today, whom I envy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stimme View Post
    They can marry whom they want, but I would prefer to see them minimizing Seal's genes rather than Heidi's. But since their mother does not seem to have a racial consciousness, they will most likely follow her example and mix with some racially completely different person (maybe a Chinese one).
    Well, I think Schopenhauer is right and intellect is inherited from the mother and character from the father. Thus Klum's children should be neither impaired by the intellect of their father nor by the character of their mother.

    But I'm afraid their given names do impair them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jspas View Post
    Well, I think Schopenhauer is right and intellect is inherited from the mother and character from the father.
    The character is the result of the environmental factors that influence one's development. It would be too simple to blame your father for being ignorant or greedy.
    The Indians did not stop the flood of immigrants - today they live in reservations.

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