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Thread: Human Experimentation and Animal Experimentation

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    the main reason that animal experiments are unethical is because they do not benefit humans (or animals) www.navs.org is a good site re this penicillin (gateway to antibiotics, the most important medicine for humans), here is what two of the three men awarded the nobel prize for its discovery had to say (from americans for medical advancement www.curedisease.com)..."To begin with we might question the role of mice based on statements by Flemming himself:
    How fortunate we didn’t have these animal tests in the 1940’s, for penicillin would probably never been granted a license, and possibly the whole field of antibiotics might never have been realized. [7]
    And from Florey:
    Mice were used in the initial toxicity tests [by Florey and Chain] because of their small size, but what a lucky chance it was, for in this respect man is like the mouse and not the guinea-pig. If we had used guinea-pigs exclusively we should have said that penicillin was toxic, and we probably should not have proceeded to
    try and overcome the difficulties of producing the substance for trial in man. [8] (Emphasis added)


    re. vaccines polio research was delayed by 25 years because chimpanzees can be given polio only via the respiratory system, humans get it via the digestive system. animal derived vaccines harm humans, similar animal based setbacks for other vaccines.

    Open-heart surgery is a classic example of surgery that was successful on dogs and fatal to humans. The procedure depends on the heart-lung machine, which tested well on dogs and killed the first human patients. It was later modified according to human clinical observation and is now used successfully every day.

    stem cells, i presume you mean human stem cells, are useful as they are applicable to humans so the insurmountable problem of species difference which applies to all animal 'research' is overcome.

    Please show a CAUSAL relationship between animal experimentation and an advancement in human health, not simply a casual one. ie animal exp. occurred, later there was an advancement in human health. Using this form of argument i could say that hula hoops or yo yo's caused space travel, ie one came before the other. retrospective and selective reference to particular animal experiments and failure to mention the failures (the majority of animal experiments) is also not meaningful.

    human experiments are unnecessary as are animal experiments. to quote dr moniem a fadali of doctors and lawyers for responsible medicine 'animal experimentation inevitably leads to human experimentation'. this is beacuse animal experiments are not predictive for anything othr than their own species therefore when a new drug/procedure is tried on humans after animal trials it is an experiment. in the case of medical procedures death is a common result, trial and error in humans improves the procedure so that it works for humans but the animal experiments usually get the credit. today animal exp. are really a legal device, not a scientific one www.navs.org there are many good scientific anti a.e. sites formed by doctors ans scientists who acknowledge that animal exp. is not predictive for humans

    placing tracking devices on wild animals to help them is ok i think,

    some other good mostly medical sites showing the fraudulence of animal experimentation are www.curedisease.net www.curedisease.com www.mrmcmed.org www.speakcampaigns.org www.aavs.org www.pcrm.org

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    I am against involuntary experiments but lets examine the argument for using animals instead of humans.

    All the arguments for, depend upon closeness to man. However these similarities are homologies not analogies ie. after admitting they are pretty much human enough for experimentation, one cannot deny that they are similar in relevant ways that make them effectively human. Teleost fish cannot feel physical pain though they may suffer in other ways; all tetrapods can so even frogs are as human in that regard as you and me.

    Furthermore human bodies are closer to other human bodies than are those of even chimps. After justifying animal experiments with appeals to accuracy you cannot anymore condemn human experimentation without a logic fallacy.

    Even ape rights fails to address these problems: shifting the goalposts does not explain why it is alright to experiment on macaques or tool-making capuchins, but not chimps. Other than making some arbitrary distinction based on genetic similarity. Now that transgenics is no longer sci-fi, appeals to common descent seem particularly sensible and human rights language might have unintended, very harmful consequences for beings with human brains (not to mention neural computers). The question is why the importance of "human" has not died down despite its problems.

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