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  • Predominantly classic Meds. Modern Meds are genetically relatively unaltered descendants of this classic population.

    12 22.64%
  • Predominantly classic Meds. Modern Meds, however, can not claim genetic identity with this classic population. The result of admixture and/or breeding since then was probably not eugenic.

    3 5.66%
  • A blend of various Europid sub-races, such as Meds and/or Alpines and/or Nordids. The modern inhabitants of the European Mediterranean region are genetically relatively unaltered descendants of this classic population.

    22 41.51%
  • A blend of various Europid sub-races, such as Meds and/or Alpines and/or Nordids. The modern inhabitants of the European Mediterranean region, however, can not claim genetic identity with this classic population. The result of admixture and/or breeding since then was probably not eugenic.

    3 5.66%
  • Classic Meds and/or a blend of various Europid sub-races. There was, however, a strong Nordish element amongst the elite. This element is genetically still present, albeit less visible in the phenotype due to recessivity of many Nordish physical traits.

    4 7.55%
  • Classic Meds and/or a blend of various Europid sub-races. There was, however, a strong Nordish element amongst the elite. This element has been diminished over time by sub-racial mixing and/or dysgenic breeding, and this process was an important reason for the decline of these civilizations.

    5 9.43%
  • Congoids and/or Semites. This fact has been covered up by a white racist conspiracy.

    2 3.77%
  • None of the offered options are satisfying. The truth is that ... (please elaborate.)

    2 3.77%
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Thread: Who Created Ancient Greece and Rome?

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    Post Who Created Ancient Greece and Rome?

    My 2 cents:

    Greece: Med and Dinaric types predominant; relatively similar to modern Greece. Probably more Nordish blood earlier on, during the times of Homer (800 BC, well before the summit of Greek power and culture). Sparta might have preserved more Nordish characteristics among her elite than the rest of Greece.

    Rome: Culture partially derived from the Etruscans, who were ancient Meds but disappeared IIRC. Roman aristocracy was a mix of Medish and Nordish types (also 'Alpine' blood; whether that's Nordish, Medish, or something else, depends on who you ask). Common folk predominantly Medish. When the Germanic tribes attacked the Empire, their blondness was seen as something odd by the Roman aristocrats, which might indicate that the Nordish element was weak in ancient Rome.

    [edit: I voted; A blend of various Europid sub-races, such as Meds and/or Alpines and/or Nordids. The modern inhabitants of the European Mediterranean region are genetically relatively unaltered descendants of this classic population.]
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    Post Re: Who Created Ancient Greece and Rome?

    #3

    The Greeks were a blend of various European sub-racial types. Predominantly Med/Alpinoid/Dinaric/UP and of course the Nordid types ( and no, not the Scandinavian Nordid types ). The reconstructed skull of Alexander the Great's father Philippos was a sort of Borreby-like type which is common in todays Balkans.

    Also, there has been recorded a fluctuation in the CI of various populations, and also other features such as ruggedness etc. so, a genetically unaltered population could have had much changes in appearance due to nutrition, climat changes and other non-genetic factors.

    Example:
    History records a high percentage of prognathous Irishmen as recent as the 19th century AD. This feature is now not common at all in Ireland, and Irishmen weren't replaced genetically, or altered genetically, so one could only ascribe such a phenomenon to a trend in nutrition and other influences, not DNA.

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    Post Re: Who Created Ancient Greece and Rome?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tryggvi
    Who were the Creators of Ancient Greece and Rome?
    All the evidence suggests that the cultures grew up locally, but in Italy there must have been some linguistic influence from the north.

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    Post Re: Who Created Ancient Greece and Rome?

    Well, Latin is akin to Celtic and Illyrian.

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    Post Re: Who Created Ancient Greece and Rome?

    It's true that I cannot think of any prognathous Irish-folk that I have met.
    Were they common up until the 19th century? Hard to say, I wasn't around then

    However, I would take into consideration that some people may have had a political agenda for misrepresenting the Irish population in the past. The "amusing" cartoons of the Irish created by British illustrators and comic-artists (such as the one posted on Dodona) seem to have been done for propoganda purposes.

    If there is some objective evidence, however, then it would be interesting to see it

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    Post Re: Who Created Ancient Greece and Rome?

    Quote Originally Posted by AWAR
    Well, Latin is akin to Celtic and Illyrian.
    Illyrian is close to Albanian isn't it? Albanian is related to Indo-Iranian.

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    Post Re: Who Created Ancient Greece and Rome?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tryggvi
    Link?
    http://dodona.proboards24.com/index....num=1079319442

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    Post Re: Who Created Ancient Greece and Rome?

    The dorians, one of the founding tribes of classical greece, were probably north/central europeans.
    Recommended books:
    "Die Rückkehr der Herakliden" and "Die Atlanter" by Jürgen Spanuth.
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    Post Re: Who Created Ancient Greece and Rome?

    Quote Originally Posted by atlanto-med
    Illyrian is close to Albanian isn't it? Albanian is related to Indo-Iranian.
    Albanians still pride themselves on being the only true descendants of the Illyrians and yes, their language is said to originate in Illyrian, even though the vocabulary has been largely influenced by ancient Pelasgian, Greek and Turkish.
    "slavic" languages are absolutely arteficial (Read "slawenlegende"). The "glagolica", invented by a bunch of monks, is nothing but an ancient esperanto, creating new words, definitions and alphabet out of regional slangs.

    The craddle of European Civilization comes from the North. All blond people originate from the north. So if you see a blond-blue eyed Slovene, Russian, Czech, Polak ect., you can be 100% sure that his ancient ancestors originated from "Germanics" (Germanic = Nordic).
    "slovenja" was the settelment of the Langobards = Germanics/Teutons. "Poland" of the Goths and East-Vandals ect. ect. What do "slavs" tell us about their origin?
    Some silly story that they originate from some swamps in the east and popped out of no where into history.

    So you see my dear "Gorostan" [=Triglav], you are in reality a "Germanic" indoctrinated with panslav propaganda and historic fantasy stories. ~Dr. Brandt, former TNP and Skadi member

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    Post Re: Who Created Ancient Greece and Rome?

    Quote Originally Posted by atlanto-med
    Illyrian is close to Albanian isn't it? Albanian is related to Indo-Iranian.
    Actually, it's not. There are some 70 words that are Illyrian or said to be Illyrian in origin. Albanian is a Satem language while Illyrian was a Centum.

    The ancient Illyria was an area roughly from modern Switzerland to Bulgaria and Greece to the south. It is said that the Illyrian influence at a time spanned all the way to Denmark on the north.

    Don't ask me for links... please, I never keep those.

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