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    Question Anti-Humanism - Yes or No?

    Frequently Asked Questions

    What is Humanism?

    Humanism is the mental habit of looking at the world as if it existed only for human beings. If there's a forest, you consume it. If there is land, you use it. If there was other stuff on that land, it's Too Bad, because you've just gotta have that 4x4 truck, color television, and sprawling suburban home, if you're a wealthy first worlder. Or maybe you simply want another patch of land for subsistence farming and slash-n-burn agriculture, if you're a third worlder. Either way, you're not thinking of anything except yourself and other humans. It's like the whole rest of the world doesn't exist.

    What is Anti-Humanism?

    Anti-Humanists recognize that without our environment, we die. For this reason, we can no longer think of humanity in terms of individuals and what individuals want (color TVs, slash and burn agriculture, "freedom") but as an organism inside of an environment. Humanity is one single mass, and we are but its cells. Our individual wants and purchasing power are not as important as the health of the whole in the context of its environment, because if the environment dies, the whole dies, and then the individual is nothing.

    How does Anti-Humanism Work?

    You stop thinking in terms of "rights" and "freedoms" and other individualistic, moralizing nonsense. You start thinking in terms of practical survival of your species. You open your mind to the possibility that most people are stupid and useless and that, if we terminate them, we will notice absolutely zero loss and no one of importance will care. You stop thinking of the world as a place ordained by God for human consumption. You stop worrying about what you want and start focusing on what you need. You'll find the latter category is much smaller, and far less destructive.

    How can I practice Anti-Humanism?

    Repeat after me: Human life is not sacred. Not every life is important. Most people are functionless bovines devoid of redeeming qualities. Our environment is dying because, thanks to humanism, we overpopulated and have polluted, destroyed, maimed, overused, until we're at global catastrophe levels. In this light, every dead human is a victory. Stop screwing around and start thinking seriously about killing all those but our most valuable members of society. We don't need movie actresses, we don't need democratic politicians, we don't need people with IQs of under 120. We need smart, strong, capable people who can think outside the mental confinement called humanism.

    Who are Humanists?

    Liberals, conservatives, Christians, Jews, most Buddhists, every businessperson. Remember, respecting the individual pays and makes you popular, with the only glitch being that you murder us all and our world. Good work.

    You're so Bloodthirsty...

    Listen, idiot, if we don't fix something we all die. Which would you rather have: a few smart survivors, or all of us die for humanistic equality? You fucking moron - you're first against the wall for even asking such a stupid question.

    Are you Angry?

    Dunno. There used to be smart people in control, but now a herd of morons has taken over and destroyed almost everything good. Wouldn't you want them dead? If you don't, you're probably a moron.

    Don't you have Morals?

    Yes - with one single rule - don't kill your own goddamn planet.

    What about (special interest here)?

    When we're not on the brink of environmental destruction, I'll worry about your problem.

    You're a Nazi/Communist/Asshole

    When people cannot understand arguments, they use broad meaningless classifications to try to defeat the other party. It won't work. When the food wars start, no one is going to care about your moral pretense.

    What about retarded people?

    What are they good for? "Kill them all." - David Vincent

    I would like to...

    You...do...not...understand. This isn't about what you'd like. It's about what must be done. If you still don't understand, go stand up against that wall. Over a bit. Blindfold?

    You monster!

    Your way of thinking is obsolete. Our planet is near death because of your pitying, moralistic viewpoint. Remember this rule, and remember it well: "The road to hell is paved with good intentions." Good intentions without a reality check is murder. So now it's your turn against the wall.
    Anti-Humanism

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    Repeat after me: Human life is not sacred. Not every life is important. Most people are functionless bovines devoid of redeeming qualities. Our environment is dying because, thanks to humanism, we overpopulated and have polluted, destroyed, maimed, overused, until we're at global catastrophe levels. In this light, every dead human is a victory. Stop screwing around and start thinking seriously about killing all those but our most valuable members of society. We don't need movie actresses, we don't need democratic politicians, we don't need people with IQs of under 120. We need smart, strong, capable people who can think outside the mental confinement called humanism.


    Hmm...I think he should kill himself then.

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    Don't you have Morals?

    Yes - with one single rule - don't kill your own goddamn planet.
    Oh, cry me a river.

    I do love the ego of people who actually believe this 4 billion old planet is suffering through our actions.

    When our world combined CO2 levels go beyond that of 0.01%, give me a ring.


    What about (special interest here)?

    When we're not on the brink of environmental destruction, I'll worry about your problem.
    "Don't panic Mr Mannering"

    What about retarded people?

    What are they good for? "Kill them all." - David Vincent
    How pleasant! Sums up the man's whole outlook on life, doesn't it?
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    He sounds like just another neo-Jainist lunatic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teuton View Post
    Hmm...I think he should kill himself then.
    That is not a good comeback if he is really anti-individualist and anti-humanist. He would if it was part of a comprehensive effort.

    Anyway, I disapprove because it is just another form of universalism, in this case negative. The rejection of liberal-individualism and humanity (as opposed to both folk and individual) is good, but the world as such is not worth being preserved without our kin existing on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeornWulfWer View Post
    When our world combined CO2 levels go beyond that of 0.01%, give me a ring.
    It may be suprising to you, but CO2 appears to be not the only problem for planet earth.
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    This man is a fool.

    Humanism is:


    The new emphasis in the Renaissance on human culture, education and reason, sparked by a revival of interest in classical Greek and Roman ...
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    A philosophy that places faith in the dignity of humankind and rejects the medieval perception of the individual as a weak, fallen creature. "Humanists" typically believe in the perfectibility of human nature and view reason and education as the means to that end.
    www.novelguide.com/a/discover/nfs_0000_0023_0/nfs_0000_0023_0_00026.html
    The object of much critique, humanism is a description of a position which believes human identity is the result of the individual s human essence, rather than the influence of social or cultural factors. ...
    royal-holloway.org.uk/ltsn/english/events/past/staffs/Holland_Arrowsmith/Critical%20Concepts%20edit.htm
    concern for human welfare, dignity and values.
    oregonstate.edu/instruct/anth370/gloss.html
    An ethical doctrine that asserts the central importance of human life and experience on earth and the right and duty of each individual to explore and develop their potential. ...
    bitbucket.icaap.org/dict.pl
    A Renaissance philosophical and educational movement emphasizing the importance and dignity of the human existence, of the individual self, and of the here-and-now. ...
    fajardo-acosta.com/worldlit/glossary.htm
    a philosophical orientation to education which holds that the purpose of education is to enhance personal growth and development. This growth of this philosophy among educator led to a swing from teacher-centred to learner-centred learning environments. ...
    www.nald.ca/adultlearningcourse/glossary.htm
    The intellectual, scientific, and literary movement of the 14th to 16th centuries which exalted Greek and Roman culture and learning
    www.innvista.com/culture/religion/diction.htm
    Focus on humankind as center of intellectual and artistic endeavor; method of study that emphasized the superiority of classical forms over medieval styles, in particular the study of ancient languages. (p. 524)
    occawlonline.pearsoned.com/bookbind/pubbooks/stearns_awl/medialib/glossary/gloss_H.html
    The system of philosophy based upon human reason, actions, and motives without concern of deity or supernatural phenomena.
    www.carm.org/atheism/terms.htm
    A term with a variety of meanings, ranging from a study of the humanities (languages, literature, philosophy, history, etc. ...
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    A philosophical movement during the Renaissance that stressed life on Earth, and the quality of being human. Rejected living only for the afterlife of Christianity.
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    the philosophy that superseded scholasticism, characterized by its chief concern for human values and interests as distinct from, but not opposed to, the otherworldly values of religion
    codesign.scu.edu/arth12/terms1.html
    noun: a. a doctrine, attitude, or way of life centered on human interests or values b. a philosophy that usually rejects supernaturalism and stresses an individual's dignity and worth and capacity for self-realization through reason
    www.uuscouters.org/glossary.htm
    Humanism is the belief that we can live good lives without religious or superstitious beliefs. Humanists make sense of the world using reason ...
    www.equality-ne.co.uk/resources/glossary.html
    a school of philosophy that believes in human effort and ingenuity rather than religion.
    homepage.tinet.ie/~peterc/a/a5.html
    belief in a human-based morality: a system of thought that is based on the values, characteristics, and behaviour that are believed to be best in human beings, rather than on any supernatural authority.
    www.creationism.co.uk/index.php/Main/Definitions
    Modern worldview based on an evolutionary model that considers human beings the ultimate life form and denies the existence or relevance of God. Right and wrong are determined by human standards, not God’s.
    meandertravel.com/biblicalanatolia/biblical_anatolia.php
    Humanism is an ideology based on the centrality of humankind. It is possible to espouse theistic humanism, or even Christian Humanism. In these cases, the term humanism means a concern for humanistic goals, with the understanding that God is the final solution to man's needs. ...
    www.geocities.com/changes1611//definitionscommonisms.html
    (Knowledge said... ): This is the only way/ of truth ./ And the fool in me/ buried God's lantern in dark clay/ that an angel might not see (CP41)
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    humanitarianism: the doctrine that people's duty is to promote human welfare
    the doctrine emphasizing a person's capacity for self-realization through reason; rejects religion and the supernatural
    the cultural movement of the Renaissance; based on classical studies
    wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
    Humanism is a broad category of ethical philosophies that affirm the dignity and worth of all people, based on the ability to determine right and wrong by appeal to universal human qualities -- particularly rationality. ...
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanism
    Humanism is a comprehensive life stance that upholds human reason, ethics, and justice, and rejects supernaturalism, pseudoscience and superstition. ...
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanism (life stance)
    A secular ethical system that centres on humans, their values, needs, interests, abilities, dignity and freedom; The study of the humanities or the liberal arts
    en.wiktionary.org/wiki/humanism
    "...The moral man is a lower species than the immoral, a weaker species; indeed - he is a type in regard to morality, but not a type in himself; a copy...the measure of his value lies outside him. ... I assess the power of a will by how much resistance, pain, torture it endures and knows how to turn to its advantage; I do not account the evil and painful character of existence a reproach to it, but hope rather that it will one day be more evil and painful than hitherto..." (Nietzsche)

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    Quote Originally Posted by he
    Humanism is the mental habit of looking at the world as if it existed only for human beings.
    and

    Quote Originally Posted by you
    A secular ethical system that centres on humans, their values, needs, interests, abilities, dignity and freedom; The study of the humanities or the liberal arts
    en.wiktionary.org/wiki/humanism
    No worlds between it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harm Wulf View Post
    No worlds between it.

    I'll quote all things of philosophical merit said in his..whatever this is.

    Humanity is one single mass, and we are but its cells. Our individual wants and purchasing power are not as important as the health of the whole in the context of its environment, because if the environment dies, the whole dies, and then the individual is nothing...You start thinking in terms of practical survival of your species...You stop thinking of the world as a place ordained by God for human consumption. You stop worrying about what you want and start focusing on what you need. You'll find the latter category is much smaller, and far less destructive...We need smart, strong, capable people who can think outside[...]mental confinement...if we don't fix something we all die...don't kill your own[...]planet.


    Unbeknownst to this person, he is taking a Humanist stance.

    In short, Humanism is the belief that individual human beings are the fundamental source of all ethical and moral evaluation; and, have the ability to understand - and even to control - the natural world by careful application of their own rational faculties.

    Which is exactly what this person is saying.

    During the Renaissance Humanists such as Bruno, Erasmus, Valla, and Pico della Mirandola helped shift attention away from arcane Christian theological disputes toward more productive avenues of classical study and natural science.
    "...The moral man is a lower species than the immoral, a weaker species; indeed - he is a type in regard to morality, but not a type in himself; a copy...the measure of his value lies outside him. ... I assess the power of a will by how much resistance, pain, torture it endures and knows how to turn to its advantage; I do not account the evil and painful character of existence a reproach to it, but hope rather that it will one day be more evil and painful than hitherto..." (Nietzsche)

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    There are valid points in his article but I think that it takes it too far, we do need to stop thinking as individuals and start thinking for the good of our species/race but there is no need to be so dogmatic about it. So as he has laid it out I have to say I would be inclined to favour the points but not to such an extreme level.
    Cattle die, kinsmen die,
    the self must also die;
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    For the one who is able to achieve it.

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