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    Post Rejection of Punishment

    > It strikes me that one of Myatt's most controversial ideas, his rejection of punitive measures against wrong-doers, is prefigured in Nietzsche.

    Correct. "One does not "punish" a rebel; one
    suppresses him." [Will to Power, 740]
    "One should reduce the concept "punishment to the concept: suppression of a revolt, security measures against the suppressed (total or partial imprisonment). But one should not express contempt
    through punishment: a criminal is in any case a man who risks his life, his honour, his freedom - a man of courage. Neither should one take punishment to be a penance; or as a payment, as if an exchange
    relationship existed between guilt and punishment - punishment does not purify, for crime does not sully. One should not deprive the criminal of the possibility of making his peace with society; provided he does not
    belong to the race of criminals. ...One should beware of assessing the value of a man according to a single deed. Napoleon warned against this." [Will to Power, 740]

    > While some may think it 'liberal' of Myatt to throw
    out 'punishment' in favour of 'compensation', they
    could not be more wrong.

    I agree.

    > It was Nietzsche who questioned the rationality of
    punishment, opining that it derived not from the
    desire to 'right wrongs', but from the festivals of
    cruelty.

    That's right. Nietzsche says Punishment had a different meaning for the ancients, but to still practice it in our modern times is indeed meaningless.

    "In ancient penal law, a religious concept was at work: that of the expiatory power of punishment.
    Punishment purifies: in the modern world it sullies.
    Punishment is a payment: one is really rid of that for which one was willing to suffer so much. Provided there is a belief in this power of punishment, there follows a profound sense of relief which is really
    very close to a new health, a restoration. One has not only made one's peace with society again, one has also regained one's self-respect and feels - "pure."
    Today punishment isolated even more than the crime;... One emerges from punishment as an enemy of society. From then on, it has one more enemy.
    Jus talionis can be dictated by the spirit of retribution (i.e., by a kind of moderation of the instinct for revenge); but with Manu, e.g., it is the
    need to possess an equivalent in order to expiate, in order to be "free" again in a religious sense." [Will to Power, 742]

    The last line especially is very fitting with what you have just remaked above on Myatt. [Note Nietzsche uses the word Punishment in the sense of both punishment and compensation, like the word "good" is used both for Master and Slave; it needs to be inferred from
    context.]

    > Only then can we go back to the ancient system of compensation, and then also allow back the Noble duel and trial-by-combat systems.
    The whole culture of the 'champion' can also reappear.

    Nice thought. Bentham and his panopticon did much to ruin all this of course. He made the eye turn inward.
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    Post Our Fashionable Compassion

    This article is from www.EuroKnowledge.net and is originally from www.LucidSnap.com.

    http://www.euroknowledge.net/articles_view.phtml?title=Our+Fashionabl e+Compassion&author=LucidSnap.com

    Our Fashionable Compassion

    By Mark Phineas
    contact the author: mphineas@lucidsnap.com

    In Seattle recently, the student body of Washington Middle School gathered in a circle to hold hands, hug and tearfully share their hurt and renounce the hurt they may have inflicted on others. In Chicago, the good Rev. Joseph Barndt has formed a touring sideshow of sympathy dedicated to "dismantle systematic racism and build anti-racist multi-cultural diversity". In a newsroom in Minnesota, an article on health care for the elderly was rejected because the reporter failed to include interviews and opinions from black and chinese members of the community. With all the public displays of compassion, all these carefully scripted dialogs of inclusiveness, all the loud laments against hatred in our culture, you might easily confuse us with a community genuinely committed to equality, fairness and brotherly love.


    The disgraceful truth is, we are a culture of fashionably contrite cowards, a culture dominated and deceived by a noble lie. Our sense of right and wrong is easily defined for us by a carefully staged morality play in which the ultimate sin is the use of banned words and the ultimate expression of evil is the expression of distrust or dislike for any of the fashionably oppressed minority groups living comfortably on their pedestals. We are zealous adherents to a doctrine of scripted compassion and hollow word-play. We have not grown more compassionate, we have simply become acclimated to culture of lies and self-delusion.

    You may find my sentiment offensive. Certainly, it IS offensive, but it is also true. You don't need to look far to find a host of damning examples of the shameless hypocrisy that is the bedrock of our great compassion.

    I'll start with hate crimes. The justification for this tyrannous legislation, stated simply, is
    "a fair minded and civilized culture should level the harshest of punishments on any individual who harms another out of hatred for their race, gender or sexual propensities".
    This justification is a difficult sentiment to argue with. After all, isn't this sentiment the basic premise of multi-culturalism? Aren't these laws a necessary tool for insuring a "color blind" society? And, aren't these laws yet another indication of our commitment to fairness and diversity?



    No. They are a soothing and shameful lie, and heres why....

    A culture that sincerely demands the harshest punishment for crimes of hatred would have taken to the streets in righteous anger after four young people in Wichita, Kansas were brutally slain on Dec 14th, 2000. These four friends were celebrating the holidays together as their door was kicked in. Two black men burst into their lives, bringing with them a gun and a lethal supply of black rage. After the torture and the beatings, these innocent four were forced at gun-point to march into a snow covered field and remove their clothes. They were each given a flurry of racial insults and a single shot to the head. Their lives were stolen by a brutal hatred but this caring culture looked on in silence and the word "hate" was scarcely whispered. This undeniable crime of hatred was dismissed with an embarrassed shrug of indifference by a culture committed to compassion, justice and equality.

    But what a miraculous transformation we witness from our indifferent culture, as the body of a lone homosexual was found propped on a fencepost in remote Wyoming. Fortunately, hatred had the right color for this crime and the event was mourned from stage, screen and television. The perpetrators were loudly hauled out and hated on every talk show, news show and personal show of self-righteous indignation.

    But a culture committed to equality would have shed an equal weight of sorrow for each of these crimes. Instead, this great society chose to wait until we knew the color of the criminal before we deemed the victims worthy of our compassion. And that isn't compassion at all. It is contemptible hypocrisy.

    Now let's consider the scourge of "Hate Music". Let's start with the term itself. This frightening euphemism has been carefully crafted to demonize music that sits defiantly outside the carefully filtered and aggressively censored content of the "main-stream". This music has a miniscule audience, yet it is worthy of attention from the lofty heights. Such luminous guardians of goodness as the Southern Poverty Law Center have weighed in against this scourge with this warning...
    A frenzied and furious rock sound is fueling a new generation of hatred and has crushed the popular theory that "music soothes the savage beast."
    Now, that should clear things up a bit. In a compassionate society, ownership of music which expresses hateful sentiments with hateful language will instantly mark you as a "savage beast". The basic sentiment is that "Hateful music should have no place in a compassionate culture", right? Apparently not. Hate music is not only acceptable, it's celebrated, though only when sung by a darker hue. Hip-hop has become the "hate music" sound track for our culture of inclusiveness.



    These lyrics are a mere sampling of the genre...
    "a devil is on my shoulder; should I kill it; hell yah. I slice Jack. took an axe, and gave that bitch, Jill, forty wacks. with my hip hop . it don't stop, until heads roll off the cutting block"
    Let me be clear, the "devil" being decapitated in this popular tune is a white man, and "that bitch Jill" (the assault victim) she is also a person of non-color. Now, in the language of the hate seeking missives, that word "devil" is a racial slur. You wouldn't know it though, considering the hushed reverence awarded these lyrics by our guardians of goodness.



    Instead of condemning this hatred, our compassionate culture has chosen to cherish it. Hate music is proudly displayed on the front shelves of every music store. Hate music is played at high school dances. Hate music is given generous air time on MTV and every major radio station. Hate music is acceptable in a compassionate society only if it has a decent beat and you can dance to it. It's clear that hate coming from a black mind is an acceptable anthem to be imitated by our youth and praised by the enlightened in this compassionate culture. But that's what makes us such accepting people, isn't it?

    No. That's what makes us hypocrites.

    The acceptance of racial animosity from every race but our own is the most damning lie of our selectively companionate culture. Why are we willing to ignore and excuse the dangerous hatred directed at us while we zealously attack any semblance of hatred originating from us? Are we truly willing to trade our safety for the smug triumph over a few "non-believers" who still harbor hatred for the "out-group"?



    Yes. We are blinded by the false promise of salvation through sympathy.



    We are joyfully singing the shallow hymns of inclusiveness as we march into the burning church of self-loathing. We hope to earn our salvation through a convincing show of compassion and we seem to honestly believe that this somehow makes us a truly compassionate culture. But voluntary self-hatred will not soften the brick thrown at our heads or deflect the bullet shot into our hearts. The hatred lurching towards us will not be satisfied with a mere show of convenient compassion. It will only be satisfied with our blood.



    It is terminal hypocrisy to ignore atrocity because it comes in the wrong color. It is a deadly farce to weep and to wail over a drop of blood spilled from our protected minorities while wading indifferently through the river of blood spilled from victims whose only fault was to be born into a self-scorned majority.

    That's what makes us a culture doomed by our own compassion.

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    Post Re: Our Fashionable Compassion

    This sort of skewed 'compassion' is obviously just a way to deprive us of the intellectual and moral tools we need to defend ourselves, as the article suggests. We can thank the 'liberal' media and Marxist-dominated universities for propagating this sort of nonsense, and brainwashing our youth to be passive bystanders to, or active participants in, the destruction of their culture and civilization.
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    Post whats this ???.. ah.

    Pissed OffSaturday, May 29th, 2004 15:49MilesianHehe! Thank you!

    Classify me!!Thursday, May 27th, 2004 18:23Zyklop

    Classify me!!Friday, May 21st, 2004 17:21AWARThis one's for the lips

    are nordic women the mo...Thursday, May 20th, 2004 00:13ThorburnI agree. Nordic Women are the most beautiful. Thanks for joining Skadi Forum.



    I see that many got those green things... but what is it?

    please help a stupido retardo dane!
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    Post Re: whats this ???.. ah.

    Quote Originally Posted by Line18
    Pissed OffSaturday, May 29th, 2004 15:49MilesianHehe! Thank you!

    Classify me!!Thursday, May 27th, 2004 18:23Zyklop

    Classify me!!Friday, May 21st, 2004 17:21AWARThis one's for the lips

    are nordic women the mo...Thursday, May 20th, 2004 00:13ThorburnI agree. Nordic Women are the most beautiful. Thanks for joining Skadi Forum.



    I see that many got those green things... but what is it?
    Means people liked the above posts and gave you positive reputation points which is displayed in your user profile with the posts you make. It's not a big deal (not for me anyway) but it's a nice way of making notes to people when you like something they write, or when you agree with them or when you think it's really funny.

    You can also give negative reputation points, as well as positive ones but I never used that option, really. After the rearrangement of things on the board everyone's reputation power is 1 points. It had got a little out of hand before. Hope this was helpful.

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    Yes thanks but if i have got four of them, why is there only showed one??

    god weekend...

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    Post A Renewed Mexican-American War

    A Renewed Mexican-American War
    By Alan Caruba
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    Jan 13, 2005


    In 1821, at the invitation of Mexico, Stephen Austin established the first American settlement in Texas (Tejas). The land was cheap, about ten cents an acre, compared to $1.25 in other frontier areas. Americans flowed in but they continued to speak English and avoided any assimilation into the Mexican culture.
    A mere fifteen years later in April 1836, following the fall of the Alamo a month earlier, a Texas army at the Battle of San Jacinto defeated the Mexican army, thus ending a brief war. On October 22, Gen. Sam Houston was sworn in as the first president of the Republic of Texas. A decade later, after having lost Texas, the US negotiated a treaty that secured most of the Southwest as well. That´s how we ended up with Nevada, Utah, Colorado, Arizona, and New Mexico.
    Flash forward to 2004. Today in America, 58% of America´s Hispanic population are Mexican, surpassing African-Americans as the largest minority. Latinos make up 30% of California´s population and now account for more than half of all the births in the Golden State. Do the math. There are 37 million Hispanic Americans. As far as the Mexican government is concerned, their Mexican-Americans are Mexican-Mexicans. Like the Americans that poured into Texas and refused to assimilate, the same holds true for a large portion of the Mexican-American population, both legal and illegal.
    This has major implications for American politics. It accounts in large part for why Bush43 and his administration are eager to grant an amnesty for the current and growing population of illegal aliens. His own brother, Jeb, is Governor of Florida, speaks Spanish fluently, and is married to an Hispanic.
    News that the Bush administration will propose "sweeping changes to US immigration policy that would allow a portion of the eight million illegal aliens in this country to move toward legal status without a penalty" ignores the fact that Mexico has set upon a plan to repopulate the lands it lost to the US and to, in effect, alter the political structure of America by flooding its citizens into the US while retaining their allegiance to Mexico.
    To put it bluntly, Mexico has hit upon a plan to solve its own Third World poverty by reacquiring the land Santa Ana gave away. The lines between being a Mexican citizen and an American one are being deliberately blurred. Don´t believe it? Manuel de la Cruz is the first US citizen ever to win a seat in Mexico´s Congress. His platform was to make the United States into a Mexican electoral district! Born in Zacatecas, Mexico, de la Cruz has been a longtime resident of Norwalk, Connecticut. He was one of six Mexican-Americans who ran for office in Mexico in the last elections there!
    Little wonder the slogan of the Mexican Department of Tourism is "Mexico: Closer Than Ever." If it was any closer, the minute you crossed the Mississippi, you´d be in Mexico!
    An expert on this, Allan Wall, noted in November 2003 that "Mexicans who have become American citizens—by taking an oath to renounce all allegiance to Mexico---may soon be able to regain their Mexican ‘nationality´, according to recent Mexican federal legislation, now in the process of being ratified by the states of Mexico." In 1997, Articles 30,32,and 37 of the Mexican Constitution were amended to make dual nationality possible. This will give any Mexican who wants it, to be a citizen of both nations.
    This is nothing less than a sneak attack on the sovereignty of the United States of America.
    Mexico has lots of reasons for this, not the least of which is the fact that the estimated $14.5 to $17 billion Mexicans send home represents the second-largest source of foreign income for Mexico after oil. Pundits like Lowell Ponte who watch what the Mexicans are doing note that the enormous cash Mexican immigrants to America, legal and illegal, send home relieves much of the pressure on the Mexican government to fix that nation´s economy. By encouraging immigration, noted Ponte, "if this pressure release valve were closed, Mexico would explode into violent revolution within five years."
    Meanwhile, American taxpayers are forced to pick up the tab for the millions of illegal Mexican and other immigrants in this nation. Ponte notes that "by one estimate, the average illegal immigrant family in California consumes about $7,000 more each year in government benefits than it pays in taxes." When then-Governor of California, Pete Wilson, backed Proposition 187, that would have cut off taxpayer-funded programs and other benefits to illegal immigrants, the measure passed overwhelmingly. It was, however, struck down by a federal judge. When former-Governor Gray Davis attempted to give California to its illegal immigrant population, the voters tossed him out and voted in Gov. Arnold Schwartzenegger.
    It remains for Americans to avoid any cockamamie legislation that would, one way or the other, grant citizenship to illegal Mexican and other immigrants. US population, as of January 1, 2004, was 292,287,454. That´s an increase of 2,816,586 from the year before and it does not take into account the eight to twelve million illegals living among us and using our schools, our hospitals, our highways, and filling up our jails. Given the birthrate of Mexicans in America, it would not take long for them to acquire so much political power that it would alter our system dramatically. For too many of them, their first allegiance would be to Mexico.
    This issue is NOT about being anti-Mexican. It´s about protecting the longest border on the planet between a wealthy First World nation and a very poor Third World one. That border, 1,951 miles long, is as porous as Swiss cheese. And, beyond the Mexicans crossing it illegal, there´s the threat of infiltration by Islamic Jihadists. On November 12, 2003, Imelda Ortiz Abdala, the former Mexican consul in Lebanon, was arrested in Mexico on charges of helping a smuggling ring that specialized in moving Arab immigrants into the United States from Mexico. The terror war isn´t just being fought in the Middle East, it is on our border and inside our nation.
    The current US policy of tolerating large-scale illegal immigration is not just wrong, it is putting this nation at risk from our sworn enemies and from a nation, Mexico, bent on reclaiming its "lost" territories and, through sheer force of numbers, taking over this nation.
    President Bush is famous for having said, "You´re either with us or you´re against us." Well, Mr. President, if you are looking for an enemy of this nation, look south to Mexico.
    http://www.michnews.com/artman/publish/article_6421.shtml

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    Thumbs Up Star Wars: Empire at War

    Excellent game!
    I just love the feeling of total galactic domination over those pathetic rebel low-lives.

    The game was created by the people who made the Red Alert-series and Command & Conquer.
    You can crush your enemy both in wonderful space battles as well as battle on the planet surface.

    I just finished the imperial campaign and i will not even bother to play the rebel campaign.

    Nice graphics, gameplay-feeling and it runs well even on a mid-class computer (P4 2,6ghz with 1gb ram and radeon 9800pro graphics card.)

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    Re: Star Wars: Empire at war

    Any links and images?


    Nice graphics, gameplay-feeling and it runs well even on a mid-class computer (P4 2,6ghz with 1gb ram and radeon 9800pro graphics card.)
    I'd assume only with lowest details?
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    Post Re: Star Wars: Empire at war

    Quote Originally Posted by Agrippa
    Any links and images?
    Here we go!

    Oficiall site:
    http://www.lucasarts.com/games/swemp...ndexFlash.html

    Images, videos:
    http://pc.ign.com/objects/713/713904.html


    Quote Originally Posted by Agrippa
    I'd assume only with lowest details?
    No, with highest settings available.
    It works perfectly.

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