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    EU "Gives Russia" a Second Chance...



    EU gives Russia a second chance despite Gordon Brown plea

    [UK's current PM] Gordon Brown failed in his mission to secure tough action against Russia after France and Germany persuaded other European Union leaders to give Moscow a second chance.


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    A crisis European Union summit in Brussels shied away from sanctions to punish Russia -- and set a new seven-day deadline to withdraw troops to pre-conflict positions in Georgia...............

    With France the current holder of the EU's rotating presidency, President Nicolas Sarkozy will travel to Moscow on Sept 8 and then to Tbilisi amid "signals" that Russia will pull back its military.

    "If this doesn't work then we will get together and take another decision," he said.

    "I have been in touch with President Medvedev and as things stand feel we are on the right track."

    President Sarkozy and Angela Merkel, the German Chancellor, have rallied the EU behind new Russian promises to implement six-point cease-fire in Georgia, negotiated by the France on Aug 12.

    Miss Merkel, speaking after the summit, revealed that Dmitry Medvedev, the Russian President, had promised to withdraw troops during a telephone call with Mr Sarkozy on Sunday.

    The emergency EU summit, only the third in the Union's history, only agreed to a call by Mr Brown to freeze trade and aid negotiations, set to begin on Sept 15, if Moscow first failed to meet the new troop withdrawal deadline.............. (??)

    Mr Brown did not comment on the new deal and was the only major European leader not to hold a press conference following the summit..........

    Mr Sarkozy denied that the decision not to punish Russian aggression in Georgia meant that the EU was a merely a pushover "paper tiger".

    "There are enough conflicts in the world at present. We do not want to add to them," he said.

    EU leaders denounced "disproportionate" Russian action in Georgia and the Kremlin's "unacceptable" recognition of the two breakaway provinces of South Ossetia and Abkhazia that lie at the centre of the conflict.

    The issue of sanctions against Russia has divided EU countries that are heavily dependent on Russia for oil and gas supplies.

    Mr Brown welcomed decisions for the "immediate dispatch" of a European monitoring mission, promises of aid to Georgia and a pledge to create "a special EU representative for the crisis".

    "The 27 members of the EU are totally united in condemning the aggression of the Russian Government," the Prime Minister said, as summit talks began.

    "We want to send the political support that is necessary for Georgia."

    Britain's demand that a "partner and cooperation agreement" with Russia should be suspended struggled to find support among a majority of Europe's leaders.

    Radoslaw Sikorski, Polish Foreign Minister, supported cancellation of the negotiations "while Russian forces are still in Georgia".

    "Either we get a credible response or the credibility of the EU will be damaged," he said.

    But British diplomats have expressed concern over the language used to discuss troop withdrawal in the EU conclusions that were agreed.

    The EU text states: "The European Council calls on the parties to continue the full implementation in good faith of the agreement they have signed. The military forces which have not yet withdrawn to the lines they held prior to the outbreak of hostilities must do so without delay."

    A British diplomat said: "Too much equivalence. Georgia has withdrawn forces, Russia has not."

    William Hague, the Shadow Foreign Secretary, said: "The EU has warned Russia that it must now swiftly and fully implement the ceasefire deal. Russia should understand the importance of doing that."

    Russia provides the EU with a third of its oil and 40 per cent of its natural gas. Germany relies on Russia for 34 per cent of its oil imports and 36 per cent of its natural gas consumption. Slovakia, Finland and Bulgaria depend on Russia for more than 90 per cent of the gas that heats homes, cooks meals and powers factories.

    "We have to find a balance. The balance is between tough talk and economic consequences. My stance is yes to tough talk. No to economic consequences," said Alexander Stubb, Finland's foreign minister.

    Javier Solana, the EU's foreign policy chief, promised that a European observer mission to monitor the ceasefire in Georgia that could be deployed "by the end of September, early October".

    "We prepare for an observer mission, a verification mission, in order to see how the plans that have already been approved and signed by the parties are implemented," he said.

    Russia has meanwhile been forced to increase its military presence in the North Caucasus amid growing fears that the Kremlin could face the type of separatist rebellion it has long supported in neighbouring Georgia.

    Over 1,000 people staged a rare anti-government rally in the semi-autonomous republic of Ingushetia, arguably the most volatile spot in the troubled region, after a prominent activist journalist was shot dead while in police custody.

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    This is pretty funny, watching these countries trying to order about Russia, China, and the US. Maybe they can start dressing up in Napoleonic-era uniforms for old time's sake.
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    They probably heard that Putin took out a siberian tiger with a tranquilizer and they panicked.

    The EU, much like NATO, are spineless lame ducks. So them cowering isnt surprising.

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    I find the entire EU behaviour quite embarrassing anyway. Everyone knows that Georgia is as good as a US vassal in the caucasus, and everyone knows that the EU likes not to anger the US ... with Germany and her Chancellor Merkel being at the forefront of playing a faithful puppet of that world power across the pond.

    I think Medwedew had it 100% right when he said that it was hypocriticial for the EU to recognise the Kosovo's unilateral declaration of independence but to defy a likewise desire for independence from Abkhazia and South Ossetia. The fact that Russia refused to recognise Kosovo may seem odd, but it does not defeat that notion. In fact, it gives Russia a stronger standing in that respect, and they can quite convincingly continue to refuse recognition of Kosovo until the EU and the US recognise Abkhazia and South Ossetia. So, really, a tactical faux-pas in world politics by the West...

    And the reasons they give why "Kosovo is unique"? They claim, there were ethnic cleansings of Georgians in these areas and that they were predominantly Georgian beforehand. Well - and what was Kosovo then, if not one of the heartlands of the Serbian nation, systematically bred out by Albanians pouring in for the past 150 years to push out the indigenous Serbs?!

    I'm not a huge friend of Russian politics, and see a strong Russia as both a chance and a danger to Western Europe, but I'm definitely with them as the Georgia conflict is concerned.
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    Yes well Kosovo is an old one now .... the move against the ancient European state of Serbia was all part of the west's human rights agenda.... that was the justification ( along with other issues!). The opinion of Russia was discounted - much to their outrage.

    And now the world moves on to the next round....only this time its "the west" which finds itself in some difficulty.

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