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    Quote Originally Posted by Cythraul View Post
    Or indeed in your own Western country! How long do you think you'd avoid prosecution or A&E walking around in a shirt that said "Opponent of Islam"? Actually, you might be OK over in Vinland , but here in the south-east of England, I'd have better luck walking around naked.


    Valuable point! My opinion on Muslims in Britain is an awkward mix of disgust and respect. On one hand, they're mostly moral, non-materialistic and strong in conviction - values which should be central to Germanics. Instead, we've cultivated an environment of bloated materialism and mindless pursuit. Many of us are less respectable than the Muslims. On the other hand, Islam is a virus, spreading fast, that threatens our way of life. And the West might be spiritually and intellectually dormant now, but we still have that old pride and fighting spirit buried within us somewhere.

    You're kidding, right? Germanic culture has absolutely nothing in common with islam. Islam is judeo-christian, it divides the world into good and evil and epitomizes slave morality. Germanic tradition values courage and honour in battle (NOT suicide). Moreover to say that anti-materialism should be central to Germanics is the most ridiculous, ahistorical assertion I've ever heard. Our entire system of Kingship was based on the king's ability to provide his warriors with treasure in return for their service - once a king could no longer provide, new king. Hence terms for kings like 'ring-giver'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by signofthehammer View Post
    You're kidding, right? Germanic culture has absolutely nothing in common with islam. Islam is judeo-christian, it divides the world into good and evil and epitomizes slave morality. Germanic tradition values courage and honour in battle (NOT suicide). Moreover to say that anti-materialism should be central to Germanics is the most ridiculous, ahistorical assertion I've ever heard. Our entire system of Kingship was based on the king's ability to provide his warriors with treasure in return for their service - once a king could no longer provide, new king. Hence terms for kings like 'ring-giver'.
    I don't think that's what he meant. You have to admit that Muslims have preserved their cultural traditions in a way that we have not. However, their traditions are hostile to ours and cannot be allowed to further attack our societies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cythraul View Post
    Valuable point! My opinion on Muslims in Britain is an awkward mix of disgust and respect. On one hand, they're mostly moral, non-materialistic and strong in conviction - values which should be central to Germanics. Instead, we've cultivated an environment of bloated materialism and mindless pursuit. Many of us are less respectable than the Muslims. On the other hand, Islam is a virus, spreading fast, that threatens our way of life. And the West might be spiritually and intellectually dormant now, but we still have that old pride and fighting spirit buried within us somewhere.
    I agree, while I'm definitely not in favor their presence in Europe, I cannot deny their stated (if not always practiced) values are more in line with European traditional values, especially public morality, designated gender roles, concept of the family unit, lack of usury, etc. It's a good measurement for just how far the West has fallen that we consider a girl in hijab (that is, a girl who choses not to dress like a hooker & get piss drunk every weekend) as emblematic of a frightening social threat.

    Muslims know exactly who they are, their culture is proud, manly, & they guard it fiercely. Post-war Europe is feminized, largely has a false sense of identity to the point where we have idiots claiming that modern liberal values (feminism/anti-racism/anti-nationalism) represent the pure essence of Western Civilization when nothing could be further from the truth. Europeans & European-Americans must get back to our old, pre-war, pre-liberal ways if we ever hope to be rid of parasites of every stripe. We cannot fight off a proud, militant, manly culture with messages of "tolerance" and promoting "women's rights" and all this other sissy, communist garbage. This is like someone throwing rocks at you, and you respond by throwing marshmallows at them.

    I also think a lot of the atheist liberal types who oppose Islamization do so out of the fear that the presence of Muslims will awaken a return to the old moral values and nationalism of pre-war Europe. When you live in a society with more openly religious people, your own religion and morality (whatever it may be) becomes a larger part of your everyday life (just as an example, after the Islamic revolution the Christians and Jews of Iran became more pious than before). You see some of these liberals trying to steer the immigration debate and frame it in liberal values, such as the argument: "We must fight Islamization because Muslims are intolerant of gays and women," as if this was the main reason to be against Muslim immigration, as if Europe has some long history of such tolerance, as if this lame call to action will stir people's spirits toward resistance...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna
    He will not, because he will have shaken off his traditions. European and Muslim cultures are not compatible, so integration into Europe would mean slowly discarding Muslim habits, one by one. Then the Europeans will stop frowning so much.
    A banana will always be a banana, no matter how much it tries to be an apple. Culture, and faith, are so deeply rooted that one cannot simply discard them once a certain boundary has been reached.

    I have always agreed that integration of fellow Germanics, and to some extent inner-European integration is a possible matter and can be a commendable thing where it concerns worthy individuals, but the boundary between the cultures of the orient and the cultures of the occident are too distinct that they can be broken so easily.

    I reiterate: A Cox apples can become a Bramley apple a few generations down the genealogy of trees, but a banana will always be a banana, no matter how much it tries to be an apple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cythraul View Post
    I saw some Somali children yesterday wearing similar designs to these, stating in big letters "SOLDIER OF ALLAH" and "PROUD TO BE MUSLIM". I was quite disgusted, unsurprisingly. Do you feel offended by these garments? Do you accept that they should be legal under free speech

    Absolutely they should be legal under free speech. Under free speech it's ok to be a terrorist muslim in another persons land so long as you don't admit you've done wrong.

    Free speech is not something i cannot understand or tolerate.

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    Here is one of my anti-Islam shirts in my collection.

    I've had a couple reactions to this shirt, but mainly people who found it hilarious. I tend to wear it in the Mall of America, since a lot of Islamic Somalians frequent it, but I haven't had any reactions from them except an occassional glare.
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    Cythraul is right about Islam. Regardless of what the ancient germanics actually did, they were not culturally and educationally superior to other european and near middle eastern ways such as Judaic monotheism in its various forms at that particular time (in my view) - hence why their culture was conquered by Christianity and various invaders, and the vikings and other tribes ceased to exist.

    Slowly over time we have come to realise we have no connection to a Judaic faith and tales of people thousands of miles away in other continents. We have, for hundreds of years, been teaching our children tales from an entirely different landscape and culture with little significance to ourselves. We have our own history as europeans, our own heros and martyrs, the problem is that they we were perhaps not as educated or culturally superior in that way, at that particular time, which left us open to weakness. While our tribes were busy killing each other over farmland and other petty issues, the biggest armies to have ever been created were amassing south in more comfortable enviroments, in the form of militant monotheistic disciplines.

    If the germanics were smarter back then they would have said ok, here is a superior way of doing things, it's called christianity, but lets put our own touch on it.

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    The problem is not the clothing it's the people wearing it, they shouldn't be in our homelands whether they are wearing such filth or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by signofthehammer View Post
    Moreover to say that anti-materialism should be central to Germanics is the most ridiculous, ahistorical assertion I've ever heard. Our entire system of Kingship was based on the king's ability to provide his warriors with treasure in return for their service - once a king could no longer provide, new king. Hence terms for kings like 'ring-giver'.
    Except that original Germanicism was spiritual, with spiritual pursuits more prized than material ones. Of course Germanics developed a monetary system and material reward was an important aspect of the culture - you're defining 'materialism' too literally. Our ancestors weren't like the high Buddhists whose goal it was/is to detach themselves from the material world, but they certainly weren't materialistic in the modern sense (and this is how I meant it) - life had a deeper meaning than mere possessions. 'Treasure' was a means to provide for ones family and thus maintaining the culture and cycle of ancestry which was partially of spiritual importance. And indeed, material objects held a spiritual importance and so to acquire valuable objects was often to acquire certain esoteric abilities. In short, material goods were valued but the early Germanics cannot be labelled 'materialistic' in the modern sense of the word because the 'material' was not their only, or even primary pursuit. Honour and wisdom are ultimately NOT material traits and so if we are to concede that these two things were of paramount importance to our ancestors, then we are to understand that their ultimate goals were not material.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cythraul View Post
    Except that original Germanicism was spiritual, with spiritual pursuits more prized than material ones. Of course Germanics developed a monetary system and material reward was an important aspect of the culture - you're defining 'materialism' too literally. Our ancestors weren't like the high Buddhists whose goal it was/is to detach themselves from the material world, but they certainly weren't materialistic in the modern sense (and this is how I meant it) - life had a deeper meaning than mere possessions. 'Treasure' was a means to provide for ones family and thus maintaining the culture and cycle of ancestry which was partially of spiritual importance. And indeed, material objects held a spiritual importance and so to acquire valuable objects was often to acquire certain esoteric abilities. In short, material goods were valued but the early Germanics cannot be labelled 'materialistic' in the modern sense of the word because the 'material' was not their only, or even primary pursuit. Honour and wisdom are ultimately NOT material traits and so if we are to concede that these two things were of paramount importance to our ancestors, then we are to understand that their ultimate goals were not material.
    Ok. That's fair. I misunderstood. Though I do think there's a marked difference between the non-materialism you describe and the anti-materialism of islamic communities in western countries
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