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    Quote Originally Posted by ÆinvargR View Post
    People might realize what they're letting into their country.
    Exactly. Europe should see the Muslims the way they are. These shirts show it very well. Most of the Muslims are fanatics. We don't need them camouflaged in suits. The only way Europe is going to realise Islam is taking over is by being forced to face reality. More hijabs. More mosques. More threats with violence. More double standards. Until it gets so unbearable that we wake up and realise they are on a religious crusade against us and we have to defend ourselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Siebenbürgerin View Post
    The only way Europe is going to realise Islam is taking over is by being forced to face reality. More hijabs. More mosques.
    I think history shows that, if a culture has successfully adapted itself to a specific territory, it´s very hard to get rid of it again later. We shouldn´t give Muslims the opportunity to rise their society here, to build mosques here, to make a significant impact to our society. As earlier we get rid of them as better the outcome will be.

    Because if our people don´t wake up our culture will be is eternally lost. The quantity of Muslims is constantly rising and some cities have already nearly a muslimic majority. I think there´s no time to wait anymore. I fear that there is a point of no return.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ulf View Post
    I got weird looks from the blacks and mexicans whenever I'm out and wearing my Deutschland shirt w/ a huge German eagle on it. I just wink at 'em and walk by.

    I saw a small child wearing a shirt like that at the festival I went to on sunday.
    Made me smile.

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    All this does is just Islam look like a silly media fad. I once saw a Viking world tour T-Shirt with dates listing each raid, but I wouldn't wear something like that in public.

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    I wish more people would wear their ethnic or religious affiliation proudly like that. It is only a good thing in my eyes when people maintain their separate identity rather than completely losing it to assimilation. When I see such a person I know at least I can find some ideological common ground with them, like myself they also do not want to be a part of some homogenized, consumer-driven, fake "Western" culture. The modern West (with its democracy, capitalism, consumerism, notions of personal freedom, tolerance, diversity, internationalism, etc) is epitomized by the blind worship of the Self. Like a "Warrior for Allah" I reject that notion. As weird as it sounds, a "Warrior for Allah" is closer in spirit to a Germanic Preservationist or Nationalist than a brainwashed democrat could ever be, since Mr. Allah also strives for some higher goal whereas the brainwashed democrat is a good consumer who lives for pleasing himself, and votes according to whoever gives him the most goodies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Siebenbürgerin View Post
    Exactly. Europe should see the Muslims the way they are. These shirts show it very well. Most of the Muslims are fanatics. We don't need them camouflaged in suits. The only way Europe is going to realise Islam is taking over is by being forced to face reality. More hijabs. More mosques. More threats with violence. More double standards. Until it gets so unbearable that we wake up and realise they are on a religious crusade against us and we have to defend ourselves.
    The majority of the youth, who is capable of doing something in society, would answer: but those are only a few extremists - Islam is a religion of peace. And they'll keep answering that way into their graves.

    People with a preservationist consciousness ought to realize people's apathy will continue until their own daughters get raped, and I don't believe such occurrences desirable - there is guile that would turn the responsibility for the act either to institutional racism accounting for why these people can't integrate into Western societies, and that is the explanation for their behaviors, or repeat the slogan in the first paragraph. Some old Christians might be offended, but they will never do anything and can never be trusted. The youth and their sources of education; colleges, media, etc. is the real problem.

    About the shirt, it's just a shirt, and personally I could careless what some brown-skinned Levantine or Arabian loser wears. But agree it's helpful to show where they stand.

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    To be honest, it really doesn't bother me - as long as I have the freedom to wear whatever I choose in return. The difference is that they can get away with it in Western countries. I wonder how long I would be afforded the same courtesies in an Islamic area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Galloglaich View Post
    To be honest, it really doesn't bother me - as long as I have the freedom to wear whatever I choose in return. The difference is that they can get away with it in Western countries. I wonder how long I would be afforded the same courtesies in an Islamic area.
    Or indeed in your own Western country! How long do you think you'd avoid prosecution or A&E walking around in a shirt that said "Opponent of Islam"? Actually, you might be OK over in Vinland , but here in the south-east of England, I'd have better luck walking around naked.

    Quote Originally Posted by Evolved View Post
    Like a "Warrior for Allah" I reject that notion. As weird as it sounds, a "Warrior for Allah" is closer in spirit to a Germanic Preservationist or Nationalist than a brainwashed democrat could ever be, since Mr. Allah also strives for some higher goal whereas the brainwashed democrat is a good consumer who lives for pleasing himself, and votes according to whoever gives him the most goodies.
    Valuable point! My opinion on Muslims in Britain is an awkward mix of disgust and respect. On one hand, they're mostly moral, non-materialistic and strong in conviction - values which should be central to Germanics. Instead, we've cultivated an environment of bloated materialism and mindless pursuit. Many of us are less respectable than the Muslims. On the other hand, Islam is a virus, spreading fast, that threatens our way of life. And the West might be spiritually and intellectually dormant now, but we still have that old pride and fighting spirit buried within us somewhere.
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    I certainly defend their right to wear a shirt that identifies them as a proud follower of their religion, just like I choose to wear a poloshirt embroidered with the Odinic Rite logo, and have toyed with the thought of buying similar-themed ones.

    The central part about wearing a religious shirt is still though that I probably wouldn't wear one that was offensive to another religion. Reason being not one of political correctness, but just that I believe one should be promoting one's own cause rather than destructive towards others: Thus I probably wouldn't wear the "My god carries a hammer. Your god was nailed to a cross, Any questions?" one. Whoever needs negativity to promote the value of their own cause is an attention seeker.

    The issue at hand with these shirts is thus not their nature nor message: In fact I have nothing against the fact that one can be a proud Muslim just as much as he can be a proud Christian, Jew, Hindu, Heathen etc. ... religious identity is part of identity and thus spirituality is an important thing to be preserved.

    The issue at hand is what Valkyrie said: Why, in Thunor's name, if they are so proud Turks/Muslims/Arabs/Pakistanis etc. do they not go home to build up their own country? They claim to be proud Turks but instead of helping their families and friends at home, they brag about their BMW. They claim to be proud soldiers of their faith and culture, but often enough fled themselves from the duty they so revere as refugees... And like everything, everything has its place and time: Freedom of Religion is an important freedom, but it neither serves as an excuse for everything, nor should it be used to defy another nation's laws.

    I have always been a large supporter of allowing people from less developed countries to study at our universities - but then in the understanding that they use our knowledge to build up their own country: Many of their compatriots would not feel the urge to leave and if they did, then there would be no rationale for them to claim "economic immigration". Would solve some of the problem... and yes, before you ask, I intend to go back home to Austria/Germany after my studies.
    -In kalte Schatten versunken... /Germaniens Volk erstarrt / Gefroren von Lügen / In denen die Welt verharrt-
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    -Auch ich verspüre Demut / Vor dem alten Geiste der Ahnen / Wird es mir vergönnt sein / Gen Walhalla aufzufahren?-

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    This thread seemed to start off about wearing a possibly emotive and provocative religious symbol or statement. It then seemed to shift to a discussion on the muslims or the religion itself. Coments were made as to whether those professing to be proud soldiers of islam should go and be proud in their own country.
    There are two issues here. Muslims coming here. Islam coming here. As far as islam is concerned, I am happy for people to believe in whatever they want and don't see islam as any different to christianity being here. They are both ALIEN! But people believe in what they feel. At least islam is coming here on the back of migrants and could be said to be spreading by natural population movement. Christianity arrived, was established and maintained its position through manipulation and by deliberate quashing of the old beliefs.
    I wear my Odin t shirts. My hammer and raven carving. I don't see Soldiers of Allah any different to hearing the Sally Army singing Onward Christian Soldiers. I also personally like the hammer and cross t shirt and would love someone to let me know where i can get one in the UK.

    Here's a question. Who would you prefer?
    a) A northern European muslim?
    b) A christian arab?
    (I deliberately didn't say an African Odinist because in my humble opinion there could not possibly be any such person as Asatru/Vanatru is a faith.

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