View Poll Results: Which system would you prefer?

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  • Democracy

    15 18.29%
  • Hereditary Monarcy

    20 24.39%
  • Autocracy

    6 7.32%
  • Dictatorship (specify which type)

    8 9.76%
  • Theocracy (specify which type)

    8 9.76%
  • Socialist

    15 18.29%
  • Conservative

    13 15.85%
  • Fascist

    18 21.95%
  • Liberal

    9 10.98%
  • other/s

    29 35.37%
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Thread: The Ideal Political System?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cupper View Post
    The whole Middle East is based on tribalism. The Arabs in particular see family first, then tribe, then religion, and then maybe, just maybe, country. Been that way for 1000's of years. The existing borders are virtually all as a result of the British drawing lines at Versailles.

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    Thanks for the tip - that looks like an interesting book. The Arabs and other Middle Eastern peoples are definitely quite tribalistic, and as we see, they take this attitude with them when they emigrate to Europe. In these times, when nation states hardly mean anything anymore (the percentage of cultural, ethnic and racial aliens in the European states grow year by year), native Europeans would do wise to adopt this attitude themselves. Real connections, human to human, should definitely come before loyalty to State and political systems. Tribalism shouldn't be too narrow, though, like Hords (Hordaland, Norway) against the rest. You get the point.

    I'm not sure exactly how the Tribalism we are discussing here as a political system would function, how it would be ordered, arranged... Þoreiðar?
    I guess it might be more or less synonymous with the rather decentralized concept of National Anarchism. Or am I wrong here?

    Personally, I do not necessarily have anything against greater political structures. I even see a pan-European Empire with a high degree of regional autonomy for ethnic groups as a possibility that should be considered at least.
    I look at a Scandinavian/Nordic federation as a more down-to-earth possibility for the near future, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Olavssønn View Post
    Thanks for the tip - that looks like an interesting book.
    It is not an easy book to read, but the author is the granddaughter of Lloyd George, the British PM who was a significant player at the discussions. Once one reads it, it will not only give a good understanding of the root causes of WWII, but an understanding of why the Balkans again blew up 15 years ago, as well as to what is happening in the Middle East, including the issues in Pakistan, Afghanistan and to some extent, India.

    This book would be required reading for anyone who is in their last year of school, so they could understand the larger issues and nuances that exist, even now, almost 100 years later.


    I'm not sure exactly how the Tribalism we are discussing here as a political system would function, how it would be ordered, arranged... Þoreiðar?
    I guess it might be more or less synonymous with the rather decentralized concept of National Anarchism. Or am I wrong here?

    Tribalism will not and can not work in the modern world, unless one becomes completely insular.

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    I favor a liberal constitutional republic with parts aristocracy and meritocracy. In specific, my ideal government system would have a representative legislature, and it would be limited by a constitution that clearly defines the Rights of the People and the powers that the government has.

    In this setup, there is an aristocracy defined as any descendent of the founding group with no non-European ancestry (in the US, this means any White person with one ancestor at least living here at the formation of the country). High positions in the Executive branch, the Judiciary, and the Senate are reserved for such people with the House of Representatives and all lesser positions of government open to any citizen.

    In the aristocratic class, there would be a meritocratic process to remove the belowpar candidates. To clarify: any member of the aristocratic class who wants to take part in government must pass a specialized college curriculum to teach them everything they need to know to responsibly rule the country and protect the heritage.

    Membership in the aristocracy only gives a conditional privilege for high government office. A permanent resident would be able to sue for unconstitutional intrusions on the rights to life, liberty, and property. Furthermore, an aristocracy would only be created by the presence of a large immigrant population.

    In addition, there would be a specific clause in the constitution that would enable anybody (whether or not they would have standing otherwise) to compel the government to comply with the constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olavssønn View Post
    I'm not sure exactly how the Tribalism we are discussing here as a political system would function, how it would be ordered, arranged... Þoreiðar?
    I guess it might be more or less synonymous with the rather decentralized concept of National Anarchism. Or am I wrong here?

    Personally, I do not necessarily have anything against greater political structures. I even see a pan-European Empire with a high degree of regional autonomy for ethnic groups as a possibility that should be considered at least.
    I look at a Scandinavian/Nordic federation as a more down-to-earth possibility for the near future, though.
    Quote Originally Posted by cupper View Post
    Tribalism will not and can not work in the modern world, unless one becomes completely insular.
    That is one of my main concerns with decentralisation or anarchism. I kind of liked the idea of NA at first. But if we all pack up and became Amish it would make us completely uncompetitive on the world stage.

    Building a strong state is the only way to ensure greedy onlookers won't simply decide to invade.

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    I don't mind the constitutional republic we have set up right now. I believe if we got back to our constitutional roots and followed the advice of the founding fathers we might now find ourselves in this multicultural, Marxist mess we currently have landed ourselves in. The government should also be defending our borders to ensure we maintain our sovereignty and our way of life. I think people should be able to live their lives with as much autonomy as possible. Too many people rely on the government to solve problems that it just can't solve. Too many people want the government to shape the culture which is akin to putting the cart before the horse.

    Take for instance homosexuality. I believe it's a perversion of nature and not suitable to have amongst the folk. However simply having the government make gay marriage illegal won't stop anyone from being homosexual. Homos will still be able to live will still partake in their lifestyle and the culture will remain unchanged. What we need to do as a people, as a folk, is foster a cultural shift away from degeneracy and filth back towards wholesome and life sustaining practices. Once we can shift from our current Judeo culture of death back to a culture of life the shift in government from tyranny back to freedom will happen naturally. I feel this same way about drugs. I find drugs abhorrent and I don't mind that it's illegal but it's not working. We spend billions every year and to what end? Once we cure ourselves of the multicultural Marxist cancer our culture will change and many of the problems we face will begin to solve themselves.

    As far as the ideal economic system for my ideal political system I would favor a generally free market system. Most regulations are actually written to further entrench the interests of large multinational corporations and stamp out competition. Giant corporations are in collusion with lawmakers to keep their profits up and their competition low. Big banks are the biggest domestic threat to the US right now. I recognize the right, nay the responsibility of, the U.S. to break up some of these behemoths and empty out the Federal Reserve. The biggest problem in the U.S., and really around the world, is central banking. Central banks run by a cabal of a select few have their tentacles in every corner of the globe and influencing world events largely behind the curtains.

    So to summarize I would like a small government constitutional republic with a free, prosperous, homogenous people living in a culture that is pro-folk, pro-family, and pro-freedom. I would have a free market system with a few safeguards in place to beat down giant bloodsucking banks and corporations.

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    Start with Nationalism, a belief in self-preservation, and apply it to the two main political systems in the West, Socialism, and Conservatism. I have a theory about the models these two systems are based on:

    National Socialism
    This is based on the model of the family unit - close control, shared resources, patriarchal/matriarchal dictator, totalitarian, control of sexual selection.

    National Conservatism
    This is based on the model of a larger community unit, the village - less interference in the lives of others, cooperation, trading, freedom, individualism, democracy. This system is much better suited to organising a nation-sized community. But, it is still made up of family units, and must serve their interests.

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    As I've said elsewhere, I don't think there's a perfect system in existence. There have been countries that have prospered under representative democracies (eg America throughout it's history), direct democracies (Switzerland), and semi-democratic autocracies (eg Singapore).

    I'm a big fan of Swiss-style direct democracy. Outcomes aren't always good, but the positive aspects of referendums can be seen in the recent EU referendum here in the UK. If it was the decision of the elite, we would never leave the EU. Many major policy decisions would be decided by referendum, which would be set by petition.

    The government would have a mainly administrative function. I would not have a single head of government - I am extremely against systems of government that concentrate power in one individual. At most I would have a Prime Minister with a strong cabinet.

    I am a big proponent of federalism, or localism, whichever you wish to call it. I think government is more effective the closer to the people and national / regional identities it is. Different federal states or districts can also compete against eachother - the "laboratory of democracy" that helps to find the right policy.

    All of this would be within a framework of a government smaller than most Western countries currently. Health and education would be more privatised / marketised, though the state and charity would work to ensure universal healthcare and schooling. The welfare state should be rolled back a good extent, alongside promotion of the traditional extended family.

    The voting age should be around 25 - this is the age scientific research suggests we reach full mental maturity. I would consider some kind of qualification for voting - such as having contributed (either in taxes or child raising), or having done some form of national service, or passing a kind of citizenship test. Voters would be encouraged to keep themselves informed and engaged.

    Monarchy / republic: I don't have a strong preference. I would probably keep in place the existing arrangement of any given country. If pushed I'd probably take constitutional monarchy as this is somewhat less likely to lead to political crises.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flag-Soil View Post
    This is based on the model of a larger community unit, the village ...
    This will fail, since a village has no intrinsic restriction to its members.
    You have to be constantly arguing back and forth if you try to transfer familial values to more or less anonymous communities

    The Jews understand this function, that's why they helped breaking it up:
    Durkheim's Mechanical and Organic Solidarity


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89mile_Durkheim

    It is interesting how he names his two models.
    "Nothing is more disgusting than the majority: because it consists of a few powerful predecessors, of rogues who adapt themselves, of weak who assimilate themselves, and the masses who imitate without knowing at all what they want." (Johann Wolfgang Goethe)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    The Jews understand this function, that's why they helped breaking it up
    So just tell them to stop:

    John McDonnell unveils 'Philip Green law' after BHS collapse
    https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk...-law-after-bhs

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    What would be your ideal social system?
    Libertarian... unless I am in charge, then Absolutist Fascistic Imperial Monarchy and Theocracy under a religion I made up to keep the riffraff in line and legitimize my having many, many wives.
    Most people think as they are trained to think, and most people make a majority.

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