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  • Hereditary Monarcy

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  • Autocracy

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  • Dictatorship (specify which type)

    8 9.76%
  • Theocracy (specify which type)

    8 9.76%
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Thread: The Ideal Political System?

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    There is no 'ideal political system', only an ideal set of priorities which would determine what type of political system is appropriate at any given point in time. Circumstances always change, that's just the nature of human society; what should remain 'eternal' is the upward drive towards racial betterment and racial continuity. Governments are purely external and constantly subject to the shifting trends of history; it is just not logical to assume that a single type of government will always be in accordance with these priorities.

    In fact, I believe that if you put too much faith in a system of government rather than a living community, you will always fall off the track of health and progress. The needs/interests of a living community can't always be satisfied by a specific political system, because new circumstances make this impossible. But, having a unified set of eternal priorities is very possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuchulain View Post
    Isn't aristocracy really a phenomenon which is present in all political systems, and essentially in all distinguishable groups of people.
    Certainly not. Aristocracy is the rule of the best, do you think this is the case right now?
    "Nothing is more disgusting than the majority: because it consists of a few powerful predecessors, of rogues who adapt themselves, of weak who assimilate themselves, and the masses who imitate without knowing at all what they want." (Johann Wolfgang Goethe)

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    I selected three: Fascist, Democracy, and Socialism.

    This is the ideal system, best expressed in the term "Germanic Democracy"; it is the summation of the thesis put forward by Oswald Spengler in his work "Prussianism and Socialism" and Oswald Mosley's form of British Fascism (what some have called "Liberal Fascism"). The system embraces three basic principles: The Althing, the Leadership principle (not pure "Caesarism" but closely related thereunto), and Nationalism (which is in its foundation is socialism). This Germanic Democracy, this Prussian Socialism, this Fascist Althing, this is the only society for our people; it is the only natural option, and therefore the robe of fate and destiny to which we must cling fast.
    οὐκ ἐμοῦ, ἀλλὰ τοῦ λόγου ἀκούσαντας ὁμολογεῖν σοφόν ἐστιν ἓν πάντα εἶναί.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Wagnerian View Post
    I selected three: Fascist, Democracy, and Socialism.

    This is the ideal system, best expressed in the term "Germanic Democracy"; it is the summation of the thesis put forward by Oswald Spengler in his work "Prussianism and Socialism" and Oswald Mosley's form of British Fascism (what some have called "Liberal Fascism"). The system embraces three basic principles: The Althing, the Leadership principle (not pure "Caesarism" but closely related thereunto), and Nationalism (which is in its foundation is socialism). This Germanic Democracy, this Prussian Socialism, this Fascist Althing, this is the only society for our people; it is the only natural option, and therefore the robe of fate and destiny to which we must cling fast.
    Interesting. Could you elaborate further? A general outline perhaps of how such a society would function in your view?
    “Providence has been pleased to give this one connected country to one united people, a people descended from the same ancestors, speaking the same language, professing the same religion, attached to the same principles of government, very similar in their manners and customs-Jon Jay, Federalist Papers

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    I chose hereditary monarchy, theocracy, and liberal. I'd like to see a libertarian hereditary monarchy. In fact, I think a hereditary monarchy is natural one of the most libertarian forms of government.

    As for theocracy, I'd be happy to have a God rule. I'm not in to hierarchies, like Iran (often erroneously called a theocracy), since priests aren't all that great. But a real God would be a fine leader!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanseMacabre View Post
    Interesting. Could you elaborate further? A general outline perhaps of how such a society would function in your view?
    I'd be happy to. I think the best way to go about this is to analyse first the best things which come from each system and then construct the system as a functional entity.

    First, the most ancient of the three is by and far the ancient Germanic Democracy of the Althing. The Althing was not an institution of the masses, but only of the goðar of the land-- the high chiefs and religious functionaries (Tacitus refers to them as êwarts, literally "guardians of law"). These were chieftains, governors if you will, who on the continent and in Scandinavia would after the coming of Christianity come to answer to kings as the old class system gave way to the coming of Christian feudalism, would gather at a meeting on the major festivals of the year (being the beginning of winter and the beginning of spring) at things. The Icelandic Althing was so named because it gathered the entire governing class of Iceland at one place to settle disputes and decide treaties and truces for the coming year. In this way it was a court and a parliament at once. There would be one man who would preside over the Althing, chosen from among the goðar for wisdom and temperament, who would act as a sort of Presidential figure. The good thing we can derive from this is a legislature of governors who are likewise religious figures central to local communities. Can there be literally thousands of people at this Althing? Of course, but there are also many at the European parliament and UN and neither of those bodies suffer functional issues (only psychological- you'd have to be mentally deranged to embrace either of them).

    The next in the line of systems is Prussian Socialism: military socialism, nationalism in the truest sense, as proposed by Oswald Spengler. Spengler suggests that the very nature of Prussianism and nationalism is socialism; his goal is to wrest socialism from Marx. His socialism is simply put the communal concern for the general well-being of the nation embodied in absolute loyalty to the State which is derived, not from the "people", but from the national soul. The interests of the nation, therefore, supersede all others, and all interests in the nation serve national interests. In so doing, the interests of the people are served, since all people are national-brethren. The military discipline of the Prussian state, the order and thoroughness, the totality of the Prussian populace would be the ideal socialist state, except it can be reality because there is something real and tangible to unite the people: the Folk, and with it, culture, religion, social taboos, and all the trappings thereof. Thus the Althing legislature which would seem rather chaotic because of all the divided interests it serves is ordered by a common interest: the national interest, and therefore the interest to further the neighbouring villages and bring equanimity to all the locales in the nation, so that the nation can be superior to all other nations.

    The final, and latest developed, political structure is truly political: the Caesar principle, the single leader who is elected from the ranks of the nation and given the power to direct the nation absolutely, chosen as a guardian of the state, bound by oath and honour to the Nation, who, in the spirit of Mosley's system, will be removed through the power of the Althing, arraigned and tried for treason, and killed if he betrays national interests. The key component of all this is the illegality of partisan politics which can enable both massive opposition to the leader as well as cronyism to keep the leader from the consequences of bad rule. He shall be chosen by the Althing, chosen as the National Chieftain and Algoði of the nation. Mosley's economic policy shall also be employed: as localities shall have legislatures, each with a goði, they shall also have guilds for professions, to keep checks on the quality of workmanship in every profession the village, town, or other locality offers (prostitution being an obvious exception, since they shall all be killed.) These guilds, unlike Mosley's system, shall not represent the people as a legislature but will answer to national standards (thus nationalist socialism).

    The key is to ensure that all those who participate in any form of government, be it the main system of Algoði and Althing, or the Guilds, be absolutely and totally indoctrinated toward the commonweal of the Nation. Those who do not prove their loyalty to the nation can not participate in government in any way. In this way, the classes are preserved: the scholars (Jarl, Guardian) who ensure the nation not lose its pride or place, the warriors (Karl, Auxiliary) who fight for the nation (both in combat and in a more symbolic way as goðar and guild workers), and the workers (Thrall, Producer) who, incapable of anything but self-interest, obey the will of the above.

    As for court judgements, it seems logical that all cases be handled on a purely local level, where those who judge know the local people best, and since all who are in positions of power are ensured to be indoctrinated toward national interests, there is no need of a supreme or national court. The courts shall be, as they were in ancient times, derived from the local things, where the goðar shall preside. There should probably be three or even four levels of Thing: village Council, (district Gathering), regional Thing, and national Althing. The courts should exist at at highest a district level (where the leaders are still close to the people, but detached enough to prevent witch-hunts). Crime shall be punished either by death (gross social offense: murder, rape, any crime involving children, betrayal, buggery, prostitution), outlawry (gross legal offence: theft, burglary, destruction of property, usury, embezzlement), or geld (minor crimes: petty theft, vagrancy, truancy).

    Of course, it goes without saying that there will be a single national Folkish religion which shall be permitted, to preserve the cultural integrity of the nation. Practitioners of foreign faiths shall be barred from citizenship, whether they were born citizens or not.

    I am still working on a way to make this rather purist system work for America, but I believe the question posed was "Ideal Political System", and America is by no means an Ideal State, since it lacks an ethnic nation. It's a blueprint, admittedly not a complete one, but it's a blueprint.
    οὐκ ἐμοῦ, ἀλλὰ τοῦ λόγου ἀκούσαντας ὁμολογεῖν σοφόν ἐστιν ἓν πάντα εἶναί.
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    Power always corrupts, can we not learn that from history?

    I believe that there should be a single leader who can rule for no longer than say 5 years, these people should be selected because they have for many years been upstanding community leaders.

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    I have a complex idea for a capitated-federalism; meaning a personalized legal contract for each individual using a complex bureaucracy, absolute transparency and totalitarian structure with every constituency forming it's own polity and yet having to answer to the office which holds those prerogative rights for the clustered groups of individuals and-down-to-individuals as the multicameralism bifurcates. Pretty much a state-totalitarian & anomie-anarchism fusion. It's a reciprocal absolute government, it would be very circular but I believe work itself out much as the concept of negarchy. A statist form of 'polycentric law'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pino View Post
    Power always corrupts, can we not learn that from history?

    I believe that there should be a single leader who can rule for no longer than say 5 years, these people should be selected because they have for many years been upstanding community leaders.
    Power does not corrupt; mass-movements and parliamentary politics allow corrupt men to gain power. There have been many dictators in history completely uncorrupted by their absolute power. Cincinnatus, Sulla, Caesar, Augustus, Charlemagne, Frederick the Great, Bismarck, Ivan the Awesome, Peter the Great, Joseph II, the list goes on. This concept that "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely" is a thoroughly democratic myth circulated by those who do not want to see power taken from their own caste- the slave caste, the masses, the rats of society. And, as Voltaire said, "I would rather follow one lion than two hundred rats of my own species."
    οὐκ ἐμοῦ, ἀλλὰ τοῦ λόγου ἀκούσαντας ὁμολογεῖν σοφόν ἐστιν ἓν πάντα εἶναί.
    Heraclitus

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    I would like to say meritocrasy.

    In every society you found a hierarchy, independent from the state, hide or not, that ranks everyone in the structure of society. I mean that we should build this hierarchy organically, and start with the individual and see what the person is able to do. One's influence shouldn´t be greater than your abilities and efforts. The society most wishes to develop the family’s and city´s pride, where you feel conformable to live in the tribe, for your family and the interests in common

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