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    Will Atlantis Never Be Found?

    http://www.lilith-ezine.com/articles...Forgotten.html

    An interesting post I stumbled upon. I have always had a keen interest where Atlantis is concerned. I found this part of his closing paragraph to be very enticing to my imagination.

    It questions what around is actually permanent. Metals melt and rust away and can be salvaged and turned into other things. Glass breaks easily. Plastics slowly degrade. Bones, if not fossilized, also disappear. Wood rots. Stone is one of the few things that last, especially if they are too big to be moved by less technological cultures.

    What have we built in the last 2000 years that is actually permanent? The Great Wall of China is brick and will erode and fall apart. Steel buildings will rust away into nothing. The Hoover Dam (one of the few things that can be seen from space) is perhaps one of the few buildings that will actually still be here in 10,000 years.

    Fossils stay on the basis of becoming covered by sedimentary rock. The fossilized fresh water fish and land plants found in the Mid-Atlantis ridge for example. Actual bones are a rare find.

    The Greek and Indian myths suggesting a Great War which burned the land and boiled the sea seems almost Apocalyptic, like a nuclear war. Zeus’s lightning bolts sounds almost like nuclear missiles. We already know that a nuclear blast can destroy the memory of what was a city, leaving behind only a shell.

    It makes us wonder if we might do it again and again. Constantly destroying our places and the memories that are attached to those places, only to start over.

    What if we are truly a second or third incarnation of Human civilisation destined to destroy itself or be destroyed and start all over again?
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    Just remembered the name of an author I read years ago.

    http://www.flem-ath.com/?page_id=9
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    Sure, history repeats itself, whether good or bad.

    As far as Atlantis goes..I dont buy the floating giant island in the mid Atlantic being the bridge to the Americas/Meso-American civilization or plate slipping under the earth theory . Nor do I think Berbers or Iberians are Atlanteans.

    Atlantis whether fact or partial fiction wouldve been situated in the Central Mediterranean(Italy where there are also several active and inactvie volcanos) or into the Eastern Mediterranean/Black Sea(Greek islands, Asia minor or Caucasus, where it supposedly was finally defeated by Attica(Athens). Since Plato, other people,ancient or modern authors, took up the myth and legend which they combined with every other tale from various cultures or invented their own to appease some appetite or sensationalism. I feel, that all just takes away the possible, and the more likely legit island-chain naval empire or confederation(sea People?) -- and stretches them across the globe if not galaxy. Its all partve the fun I suppose.

    Several tsunami's are documented in Mediterranean, which supports the deluge of the myth of Atlantis and recurrent themes and events:

    Neolithic- 8,000 years ago:
    http://www.livescience.com/environme...t_tsunami.html


    Bronze Age Minoan Eruption:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minoan_eruption

    365AD Tsunami in the Mediterranean:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/mai...tsunami109.xml

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    Much as I like the idea of Atlantis and would love to know where it was some of the stuff in those articles is pure bull (if anyone can show me otherwise please do )

    Due to the carbon dating of ocean sediments we can conclude that the continents were originally attached...
    Ok carbon dating goes back about 60,000 years, in that time the mid Atlantic ridge has opened approximately 1.8km (3cm per year) so how on earth that would show that the continents were attached I don't know.

    Geologists have suggested that Atlantis has frequently rose and sunk numerous times in the last 3 million years (the Pleistocene Epoch, which ended circa 10,000 BC).
    quite possible volcanic islands to this reasonably regularly

    Dr. Ewing, a professor, headed an oceanography expedition in 1948. He was actually an opponent of Atlantis, but in spite of himself ended up mapping much of the sea floor around where Atlantis supposedly was and found that the ocean floor had mountainous areas and ‘beaches’ in the areas, and the same shape, as the 1665 map by Kircher. Subsequent expeditions only add more details to this. Ewing cautiously, and trying not to be hypocritical of his previous stances, suggested that Atlantis may well have existed as a continent.
    A continent requires a continental plate, there is nowhere for such a plate to have vanished to in the middle of the Atlantic.

    The 1949 expedition determined the ages of the sandy beaches. One group of older sand dates 225,000-325,000 years ago, while a 2nd newer batch of sand dates 20,000 to 100,000 years ago. This suggests that Atlantis has rose and sunk at least twice before. The time frames are the same as the last two ice ages.
    Dating sand? sand consists of Quartz (mainly) with some feldspar, mica etc etc most of these can now be dated but that will only tell you the age of the parent rock, it is possible using damage caused by cosmic rays to determine how long a rock has been exposed to the sun but I doubt that that happens under the sea. Any organic material that may have been present here would have long since decomposed and even if it had not I believe that carbon dating can only be used back to about 60,000 years. So I suspect that the dates would come from the known sea level changes caused by the last two ice ages, so obviously they would coincide with the dates of these two events!

    Samples taken from the Mid-Atlantic ridge have found fossils of small lake animals (diatoms), fresh water creatures, in addition to fossils of land plants.
    ? hmm I've not been able to find any mention of such a find elsewhere and given that the mid Atlantic ridge is a chain of volcanoes in a spreading plate margin I find it difficult to see how anything would be fossilised under those conditions.

    Unfortunatly I got as far as this article and gave up!
    Cattle die, kinsmen die,
    the self must also die;
    but glory never dies,
    For the one who is able to achieve it.

    Sayings of the High One.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeornWulfWer View Post
    What if we are truly a second or third incarnation of Human civilisation destined to destroy itself or be destroyed and start all over again?
    I believe we are! Cyclicality is an important key part of all ancient belief systems. We are oblivious to it because the Abrahamic religions came along preaching their linear 6000 year old history of the universe eyes:. There are anomalies relating to, for example, Giza that suggest its origins are far older than even the Mesopotamian era. I think it's plausible that Earth is subject to cyclical catastrophes, each time destroying human civilisation at some point in its development. The few survivors go on to pro-create, being educated by wise men who were perhaps the scientific elite of the previous 'age'. This explains the Meso-American and Megalithic tales of "gods" arriving to teach farming, astrology and culture to a primitive people - as with Quetzlcoatl in South America, the Druid-like order in Western Europe and the Sages of Greece.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cythraul View Post
    I believe we are! Cyclicality is an important key part of all ancient belief systems. We are oblivious to it because the Abrahamic religions came along preaching their linear 6000 year old history of the universe eyes:. There are anomalies relating to, for example, Giza that suggest its origins are far older than even the Mesopotamian era. I think it's plausible that Earth is subject to cyclical catastrophes, each time destroying human civilisation at some point in its development. The few survivors go on to pro-create, being educated by wise men who were perhaps the scientific elite of the previous 'age'. This explains the Meso-American and Megalithic tales of "gods" arriving to teach farming, astrology and culture to a primitive people - as with Quetzlcoatl in South America, the Druid-like order in Western Europe and the Sages of Greece.
    Don't forget about Scef..

    One day it came to pass that a ship was seen sailing near the coast of Scedeland or Scani, [* The Beowulf poem has the name Scedeland (Scandia): compare the name Skådan in De origine Longobardorum. Ethelwerd writes: "Ipse Skef cum uno dromone advectus est in insulam Oceani, quæ dicitur Scani, armis circumdatus," &c.] and it approached the land without being propelled either by oars or sails. The ship came to the sea-beach, and there was seen lying in it a little boy, who was sleeping with his head on a sheaf of grain, surrounded by treasures and tools, by glaives and coats of mail. The boat itself was stately and beautifully decorated. Who he was and whence he came nobody had any idea, but the little boy was received as if he had been a kinsman, and he received the most constant and tender care. As he came with a sheaf of grain to their country the people called him Scef, Sceaf. [* Matthæus Westmonasteriensis translates this name with frumenti manipulus, a sheaf.] (The Beowulf poem calls him Scyld, son of Sceaf, and gives Scyld the son Beowulf, which originally was another name of Scyld.) Scef grew up among this people, became their benefactor and king, and ruled most honourably for many years. He died far advanced in age. In accordance with his own directions, his body was borne down to the strand where he had landed as a child. There in a little harbour lay the same boat in which he had come. Glittering from hoar-frost and ice, and eager to return to the sea, the boat was waiting to receive the dead king, and around him the grateful and sorrowing people laid no fewer treasures than those with which Scef had come. And when all was finished the boat went out upon the sea, and no one knows where it landed.

    20. THE CREATION OF MAN. THE PRIMEVAL COUNTRY. SCEF THE BRINGER OF CULTURE.
    ...21. SCEF THE AUTHOR OF CULTURE IDENTICAL WITH HEIMDAL-RIG, THE ORIGINAL PATRIARCH.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BeornWulfWer View Post
    What if we are truly a second or third incarnation of Human civilisation destined to destroy itself or be destroyed and start all over again?
    It's a fascinating idea but then it raises the question of why we are not all half buried in the ruins of the previous civilisations, such as was the case after the fall of Rome or even after the collapse of Mycenaean Greece? If they were space-faring then, how come all the space junk in orbit seems to be accounted for, and why is there no obvious sign of ancient structures on the moon? Any structures placed there would last pretty much forever.

    Failing all of that where are their concrete structures, their roads, their mines and their landfill sites?

    It seems to me that a Global civilisation as advanced as the current one, or even as advanced as Rome, say, should have left some evidence of itself for modern archaeologists to find.
    Close observation may result in feelings of horror, wonder and awe at world you find yourself inhabiting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Horned God View Post
    If they were space-faring then, how come all the space junk in orbit seems to be accounted for, and why is there no obvious sign of ancient structures on the moon?
    I don't personally believe we have had ancient people who were space travellers, or the sort.
    Like you said, there is no evidence to suggest as such.


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    Failing all of that where are their concrete structures, their roads, their mines and their landfill sites?
    I have wiped off most of my links from my computer to the more "obscure" aspects of history, but I did keep this one as it did fascinate me.

    http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=83

    I would appreciate a comment from one more wiser in the field, obviously.

    As a cut off from this, can anyone remember the declaration made by a female archaeologist about a gold mine found in Africa which could possibly date from as far back as 100'000 years ago?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Horned God View Post
    It seems to me that a Global civilisation as advanced as the current one, or even as advanced as Rome, say, should have left some evidence of itself for modern archaeologists to find.
    An important point. The fact that we don't have ancient skyscrapers sticking out of the sand Planet of the Apes style is the most vital reason why belief in lost civilisations is reserved for so-called 'crackpots' and occupies no place in accepted history or science. However, here are some possible explanations for the lack of evidence. I believe in cyclical civilisation, but I do not pretend to know the answers to this question:

    - Evidence of remote ancient civilisations remains underwater, unseen. At the end of the last ice-age, a large proportion of land above water was submerged. Mankind has always settled in coastal regions, for obvious reasons. It therefore follows that the majority of manmade objects would have been buried by water.


    Underwater Monuments at Yonaguni

    - The lost civilisations, though advanced, were nowhere near as widespread or prolific in volume as ours. We live to excess but to be advanced does not require excess. As with the Atlantis myth, the civilisation could have been confined to just a handful of 'cities' which due to poleshifts and earth-crust displacement may lie under the Antarctic ice, in the middle of the Pacific, or deep under the Saharan sands. Who knows.

    - The lost civilisations are so old (perhaps 100,000 years or more) that evidence is buried more deeply than we can even imagine.
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    This particular formation looks like it could be natural. Certain types of rock can have a crystalline structure and so form straight edges.

    It could be a similar or related phenomenon to that which formed the giants causeway in Co. Antrim;

    Close observation may result in feelings of horror, wonder and awe at world you find yourself inhabiting.

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